What's your recommendation for a good value 3 or 4 inch round off road light for the Slee Short Bus Bumper?

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……….Although... as I think about it... since I finally got the heater in my primary rig back to the proper "cook you out of the cab" status... this is not as big of an issue anymore. Not in this rig anyway.

My more powerful lights, even though they are LED, produce enough waste heat to stay clear in any temps warm enough for snow. Of course general conditions vary regionally, so experiences are going to as well.

Ice fog is more of a problem for me in terms of keeping lights clear. But chances are if ice fog is the issue, I am not running big light anyway. It just turns the world into the inside of a ping pong ball. :(

I have some projectors with a fantastic cut off that will be mounted in the bumper soon for just this situation though. ;)

Mark...
Yeah, that “cook you out of the cab“ in the defrost position, is a must in that kind of weather. The heater in my ‘94 has always been good enough to do that, thankfully. Ice fog is kind of rare down here, but I can imagine it would be quite the issue!
 
Nothing simplistic about that. Just straightforward realistic expectations.

You can't ask any light to do everything. But what you are looking to find is pretty easy to accomplish.

These days LED has pretty much eclipsed all the other tech out there. Halogen makes more heat than it does light. HID is better but at this point it really offers nothing that LED does not and the HID offerings are limited to say the least. Plus with LED if you want more output you can simply add emitters to the unit more until you get the desired level. Not as easy to do with HID unless you actually add additional "lights".

Laser Stimulated Chip beats all the other tech, but it seems that market interest has never really picked up and there are not a lot of LSP lights out there and they are all long range "pencil beams".

So... IMHO you want LED. you do not need projectors unless you are going for a fog light pattern or a "low beam" with razor sharp horizontal cut off (which it does not sound like you are)

LED reflector is where you are at now then. Some of the newer LED reflector style lights have teen tiny "projector like" lenses over each of the individual emitters. With the inherent 120-140 degree forward cast of the LED emitters, these work well to get a tighter focus than reflectors by themselves.

My personal experience is that for a good medium range light with lots of side scatter to light up the ditches and whatever else might be off to the side as well as pushing decently forward down the road notably further than your high beams, plain old LED reflector designs work well, are plentiful and inexpensive.

To accomplish the goal that you mention I have been perfectly satisfied with lights like these




These type lights are almost always varying numbers (depending on the size of the housing) of 5 watt emitters with reflectors and no auxiliary lensing. The wider lighting is basically "side scatter" due to the inability of this approach to achieve real narrow focusing. They still have a hot spot in the center to throw a more light straight ahead and the end result is usually pretty decent close, mid and sometimes even longish range lighting all in one light.

I am running a pair on one of my rigs that basically turns the world in front of me into daylight well beyond even what I need for reaction time at 75 MPH when a moose is in the road out in the pitch black. And they also throw a full 180 degree spread. But... they are a bit over 9 inches in diameter with 45 emitters each and pull an honest 215-220 watts of power EACH.

There are also some out there using multiple (but obviously fewer) 10 watt emitters. Usually with some sort of auxiliary lensing over each emitter. These tend to focus down the road better, but usually toss less to the sides. If this is better or worse depends on what you want and need. I used to prioritize long reach into the night over lighting up off to the sides as much. But at some point... sometime after hitting a couple of different moose and dodging many many more... I realized that those bastards sometimes wait in the ditch to jump out in front of you rather than just planting themselves on the centerline a mile ahead and waiting. :(

The 3-4 inch restriction to fit in your bumper limits you a bit in terms of just how much light you can put out there. Try to get something with the highest number of emitters in whatever size light you get.

Avoid fluted lenses/covers. You can get all the spread that you need with clear lenses and you lose less light to the lens that way.

Do not pay too much attention to whatever claim of wattage anyone might toss out for their LED lights. *Almost* every one selling lights is either out and out lying, or carefully distorting these numbers. And if anyone claims that their offering of xx watts is making significantly more light than any other unit of xx watts. Don't believe it. If they claim some sort of different tech, with weird acronyms and abbreviations and terms no one else is using... without explaining any of it... It's probably bull****. The Chinese vendors are not really any worse than the American vendors about this, but they are more shameless and funnier when you try to read it. ;)

Avoid the cheapest of the cheap on Amazon and Aliexpress. Some of the cheap junk looks exactly like the better stuff until you hold it in your hands, or even open it up. :(
*Personally* I avoid the boutique vendors as well for the most part. Not at all saying that some of that stuff is not amazing. But for what it sounds like you are looking for, you can save a lot of money and still most likely surpass your needs and expectations with lights in the mid tier price zone.

Mark...
Yes, these big round ProComp’s truly turn night into day as you said. They show the side nicely (for the critters about to jump in front of you) and project much further than I would have expected. This rig had the old school round Hella’s on the short bus when I acquired it. Those lights looked great, but just didn’t perform well enough for my old eyes. So, I wanted to keep the spirit of the round look and modernize the performance (hence the custom grill and LED headlight replacement as well). Really impressive how much light these 2 round housings throw. I believe these are 7”. They do a 5” that’s not as imposing but performs comparably. $195 retail.
 
Thanks, I'm feeling like these might work and not crush my budget:
Thoughts?
Rough country is a good brand. But I’m pretty sure like Mark said, if you go searching you’ll find the exact same lights for 40$ on some Chinese website.
I’ve personally always been split on lights, I got some bumper off some Chinese sight for my ranger, and it came with 5 lights, they definitely ain’t worth writing home about but are pretty good lights.
I’ve asked my teacher who does the outfitting and he’s definitely Biased to BD because he sells them and gets 50% off. But I’m not paying the 2000$ for a 30in single row light bar. He said Nightlight is good. You gotta buy some silicone around the lens because they aren’t waterproof whatsoever. Auxbeam has by far the best switch panels for the price. Working at a dodge dealership the most common name brand lights I see are Auxbeam and KC. But I see Random Chinese brands the most out of anything, but I mean if your paying 50$ for 2 4in pod lights and they go out in two years, I’d be pretty happy with the purchase
 
Rough country is a good brand. But I’m pretty sure like Mark said, if you go searching you’ll find the exact same lights for 40$ on some Chinese website.
I’ve personally always been split on lights, I got some bumper off some Chinese sight for my ranger, and it came with 5 lights, they definitely ain’t worth writing home about but are pretty good lights.
I’ve asked my teacher who does the outfitting and he’s definitely Biased to BD because he sells them and gets 50% off. But I’m not paying the 2000$ for a 30in single row light bar. He said Nightlight is good. You gotta buy some silicone around the lens because they aren’t waterproof whatsoever. Auxbeam has by far the best switch panels for the price. Working at a dodge dealership the most common name brand lights I see are Auxbeam and KC. But I see Random Chinese brands the most out of anything, but I mean if your paying 50$ for 2 4in pod lights and they go out in two years, I’d be pretty happy with the purchase

I agree. I was looking at BD light bars and they want crazy money for them. The BD Squadron lights I just bought are rated at IP69K. That is serious waterproofing and one could argue that is worth it since the BD Squadrons are being mounted low in the bumper, not on top of the bumper.

NiLight LED Lights are rated at IP67, which is up to 1M water immersion. Same dust ingression protection as BD, but less water protection. Could still be fine for mounting low in a bumper assuming river crossings isn't a daily thing. I see no reason for not using a NiLight Light LED bar up high....if water gets inside, just buy another...if you are dunking a LED light bar mounted up high, you have other serious problems....

NiLight:
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Paying attention to what others have to say is worthwhile. But realize that a lot of people are gonna throw out some pretty strong opinions based on very limited experience

Got to love Amazon reviews . . .

"⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ I really love this product. Great quality. I unpacked it 5 minutes ago. Haven't used it at all yet. It's really shiny. Would highly recommend"
 
Got to love Amazon reviews . . .

"⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ I really love this product. Great quality. I unpacked it 5 minutes ago. Haven't used it at all yet. It's really shiny. Would highly recommend"
Most are paid or auto generated. I wouldn't put any value on Amazon reviews.
 
Most are paid or auto generated. I wouldn't put any value on Amazon reviews.
I find the ones that are obviously NOT auto generated to be just as worthless for the most part. Mudgudgeon hit the nail on the head there.

Mark...
 
I agree. I was looking at BD light bars and they want crazy money for them. The BD Squadron lights I just bought are rated at IP69K. That is serious waterproofing and one could argue that is worth it since the BD Squadrons are being mounted low in the bumper, not on top of the bumper.

NiLight LED Lights are rated at IP67, which is up to 1M water immersion. Same dust ingression protection as BD, but less water protection. Could still be fine for mounting low in a bumper assuming river crossings isn't a daily thing. I see no reason for not using a NiLight Light LED bar up high....if water gets inside, just buy another...if you are dunking a LED light bar mounted up high, you have other serious problems....

NiLight:
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I’m pretty sure they are lying through there teeth about their water proofing. Because every where I read up on them has said they get water in them just from driving through light rain.
But the squadron lights and their 6 and 9 LED lights would be the ones I get. Because they have the lifetime warranty and are bright as s*** with amazing Kandella
 
I’m pretty sure they are lying through there teeth about their water proofing. Because every where I read up on them has said they get water in them just from driving through light rain.
But the squadron lights and their 6 and 9 LED lights would be the ones I get. Because they have the lifetime warranty and are bright as s*** with amazing Kandella
The Nilights are what I would call lower mid-range lights. But for the price they are pretty decent. I have had a couple of different ones and have not been dissatisfied. I have heard complaints about moisture intrusion but I have not personally seen any problems with this.

Mark...
 
I’m running full Bajas on my Shortbus. It’s nice to know I am done with my lighting setup, and it will last for a long time with minimal to no issues. If I do have any issue, they have real customer service and can either be serviced or fixed under warranty. Made in USA. Have great lighting specs. Hold their value.
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I’m running full Bajas on my Shortbus. It’s nice to know I am done with my lighting setup, and it will last for a long time with minimal to no issues. If I do have any issue, they have real customer service and can either be serviced or fixed under warranty. Made in USA. Have great lighting specs. Hold their value. View attachment 3842153
Yep, those are nice lights and a nice rig. I get the buy once, cry once perspective. That makes sense, too.
 

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