Beck-Arnley = Toyota OEM supplier for some suspension components (3 Viewers)

[rrc swb]

You mean like what parts are made by what sub-suppliers?

FWIW, People will argue against this, but buying parts via the OEM suppliers (IE Denso instead of Toyota/Lexus, Aisin instead of Toyota/Lexus, etc...) is not getting you the exact same part at the same quality level as the genuine stuff. It's close and the next best thing, but it is not identical. It may come from the same tooling specifications and it may share some quality standards, but for most parts the Toyota/Lexus component will have higher quality standards and verifications than the sub-supplier direct parts. I say this as someone that's received multiple DOA sub-supplier parts and felt the sting of wasted labor over the last 10-15 years. I'm also a manufacturing engineer that's worked for multiple corporations that use a similar sub-supplier/rebranded relationship. Sometimes (but rarely) items are just reboxed. In my experience more often, they are not. There's more to it. Quality standards are altered. 4 thou +/- is loosened to 10 thou +/-, etc... Acceptance criteria is widened or restricted. Lot tracking is held to higher standards. ISO 9000 standards are taken more seriously. On and on and on. Manufacturing, particularly extremely high reliability items like most auto parts, can be done a hundred different ways even if you're using the same tooling to do the job. Maintaining Toyota manufacturing standards is very difficult. So difficult, Toyota's mindset on quality control is an entire educational topic of its own. The Denso parts that are so reliable in Toyota vehicles are not as good as they are because Denso wants to make good parts. The Denso parts are so reliable and consistent because Toyota demands it. That does not apply to the aftermarket parts sold from Denso/Aisin/etc..., but it does apply to the parts that end up being "genuine" Toyota/Lexus.

Didn't mean for that to turn into a large paragraph, but there ya go.

Yes. That's what I was referring to.

I'm not a manufacturing expert and I know not all the parts are equal, but was wondering if there are certain parts that meet the quality criteria.

Some of the parts mentioned here look like they are made for Toyota, just re-boxed in the manufacturer's box.

Perhaps I misunderstood.

This is an excellent explanation. Thank you.

 

[suprarx7nut]

Yes. That's what I was referring to.

I'm not a manufacturing expert and I know not all the parts are equal, but was wondering if there are certain parts that meet the quality criteria.

Some of the parts mentioned here look like they are made for Toyota, just re-boxed in the manufacturer's box.

Perhaps I misunderstood.

This is an excellent explanation. Thank you.

Generally, if you buy a part from Denso, Tokico or Aisin they are the supplier for OEM. There are many exceptions so unfortunately, it's not a simple answer.

Over the last 15 years and maybe $25k in various parts, I've had good luck with 90-95% of my Denso/Aisin parts, but I have had some flawed/useless parts show up from those companies. I've had 100% success with genuine Toyota/Lexus.

I would always start with the OEM part. Check price via McGeorge and Partsouq (or Slee/Cruiseroutfitters). If the labor on the job is quick and easy, then go hunt around for alternate options and see who you're willing to gamble on. If the job is a PITA (looking at you steering rack, heater core) then consider genuine parts the only option.

 

[rrc swb]

Generally, if you buy a part from Denso, Tokico or Aisin they are the supplier for OEM. There are many exceptions so unfortunately, it's not a simple answer.

Over the last 15 years and maybe $25k in various parts, I've had good luck with 90-95% of my Denso/Aisin parts, but I have had some flawed/useless parts show up from those companies. I've had 100% success with genuine Toyota/Lexus.

I would always start with the OEM part. Check price via McGeorge and Partsouq (or Slee/Cruiseroutfitters). If the labor on the job is quick and easy, then go hunt around for alternate options and see who you're willing to gamble on. If the job is a PITA (looking at you steering rack, heater core) then consider genuine parts the only option.

I expected it's not a simple answer.

Since I'm new to the LC world I was just wondering.

 

[OwnerCS]

Generally, if you buy a part from Denso, Tokico or Aisin they are the supplier for OEM. There are many exceptions so unfortunately, it's not a simple answer.

Over the last 15 years and maybe $25k in various parts, I've had good luck with 90-95% of my Denso/Aisin parts, but I have had some flawed/useless parts show up from those companies. I've had 100% success with genuine Toyota/Lexus.

I would always start with the OEM part. Check price via McGeorge and Partsouq (or Slee/Cruiseroutfitters). If the labor on the job is quick and easy, then go hunt around for alternate options and see who you're willing to gamble on. If the job is a PITA (looking at you steering rack, heater core) then consider genuine parts the only option.

That's a good point and a general rule that I follow is anything that requires over 1.5 hours of my time isn't worth brand experimentation.

I've been happy with my transition to Toyota from Nissan. We have so many options for a good price on Toyota OEM parts. That was a nice surprise.

The Nissans I came from have some level of insider (read nightmare) knowledge about which OEM parts to steer clear of. I've had cases where an OEM o-ring was 1mm too large for a proper fit on an upper oil pan galley. However, the Fel-Pro alternative was the only part that would fit like an original. Similarly, the Beck-Arnley sway bar bushings have an improved design for longevity compared to OEM. I haven't seen anything like that on a Toyota or Lexus.

 

[richg]

The part I showed on the very first post of this IS the exact same part. The part in the beck-arnley box is stamped with the "toyota genuine parts" labeling. You are just not paying for the toyota re-selling markup.

 

[nissanh]

If the part is inside a toyota package, it is a part made according to toyota specifications. I once experienced a wheel bearing made by Nachi for Toyota was installed into my Hilux rear axle and at the same time another customer installed a NSK or KOYO bearing into his Hiace Van's rear axle. After the install I can spun the bearing smooth while the other guy's bearing is not smooth (bit tight).

 

[outdoorsman]

I researched this a little by going to the

Beck-Arnley web site.​

I looked up part numbers for their parts for land cruisers 100 series. Then googled the numbers which led me to rock auto. They were listed as economy vs daily driver.

I wanted this to be an OEM work around for suspension replacement parts but not sure that it is.

 

[Roosevelt T]

I'd love to learn the inner workings of what Toyota really did on that project. Since so few of those parts ended up with a Toyota logo on it, I suspect not much. Toyota or BMW, though, I'm not walking into a dealer until the MK5 has a dual clutch or 3 pedal manual!

Finally someone gets it. I've read this recently a few times here... Toyota didn't nothing of substance to the B58. Almost all the changes it has from the N55 were already altered on the S55.

Obviously this is not actual evidence of anything, but Toyota was fine putting the FA20 from Subaru in the 86... And that engine is junk. I severely doubt they have much, if any say in the B58, nor was the power plant their main concern.

 

[OwnerCS]

The way I have been able to connect the dots on aftermarket suppliers and the Just-In-Time (JIT) supplier connection comes from following the holding company and awards.

Beck Arnley was purchased by Federal-Mogul that now owned by Tenneco.

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Beck Arnley was owned by Federal Mogul before being bought by Tenneco.

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I can't always say that every Beck Arnley and Toyota parts are a one-for-one match. I can say that the Beck parent company is a Toyota parts supplier. It gets complicated and takes time to figure out the relationships.

 

[ShenValley100LC]

The way I have been able to connect the dots on aftermarket suppliers and the Just-In-Time (JIT) supplier connection comes from following the holding company and awards.

Beck Arnley was purchased by Federal-Mogul that now owned by Tenneco.

2017 - 2015 News Archive

Tenneco (NYSE: TEN) a leading global supplier of Clean air and Ride Performance products and systems was recognized with an Excellent Supplier Diversity award from Toyota Motor North America, Inc. (TMNA) at its Annual Supplier Business Meeting (ABM) on March 21. Held at the COBO Center in Detroit, ABM brings together approximately 850 supplier representatives from across North America.

Beck Arnley was owned by Federal Mogul before being bought by Tenneco.

Federal-Mogul Sealing Systems Facility Receives Toyota's Excellent Quality Award

SOUTHFIELD, Mich.--April 5, 2006--Federal-Mogul Corporation's (OTCBB:FDMLQ) Athens, Alabama, Sealing Systems facility recently received Toyota's Excellent Quality Award for 2005. This award acknowledges that Federal-Mogul has met Toyota's highest standards in quality for parts...

www.theautochannel.com

Federal-Mogul Corporation's (OTCBB:FDMLQ) Athens, Alabama, Sealing Systems facility recently received Toyota's Excellent Quality Award for 2005. This award acknowledges that Federal-Mogul has met Toyota's highest standards in quality for parts and materials​

​

Tenneco Receives Supplier Award From Toyota

Each year, Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America Inc. recognizes suppliers who exceeded the company’s expectations in several categories.

www.aftermarketnews.com

I can't always say that every Beck Arnley and Toyota parts are a one-for-one match. I can say that the Beck parent company is a Toyota parts supplier. It gets complicated and takes time to figure out the relationships.

To make it more fun for you MOOG (which was Federal-Mogul) is part of Tenneco/DR1V (same company). Moog inner tie rod ends are packaged 555's.

 

[bamabrock]

To make it more fun for you MOOG (which was Federal-Mogul) is part of Tenneco/DR1V (same company). Moog inner tie rod ends are packaged 555's.

and moog lower control arm bushings for 100s say "made in japan" on them with numbers molded into matching the toyota part numbers. They're not really much cheaper than buying from one of the well known reputable cruiser specific shops though.

 

[ShenValley100LC]

and moog lower control arm bushings for 100s say "made in japan" on them with numbers molded into matching the toyota part numbers. They're not really much cheaper than buying from one of the well known reputable cruiser specific shops though.

yeah the beck and moog ball joints are more expensive than 555 on cruiserteq right now...but I may or may not know a guy who a gets a discount on those so he buys them anyways....