555s are the OEM TREs.
Beck-Arnley = Toyota OEM supplier for some suspension components
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^^^Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Toyota makes their own parts and NEVER source 555 as their OEM. Just to let you know the 3rd gen 4Runner and 1st gen Taco has a poor front ball joint design. If you use OEm, those last 200K miles easily and a 555 (all aftermarket uses 555) and it lasts ONLY 25K miles. I know this from my own experience and also being a member at T4R.org for a very long time. I owned nothing but tototas and always use OEM and never see a 555.
Do you happen to have a part number for the lower control arms that you sourced from Beck Arnley?
555's are from Sankei, which while made in Japan and OEM spec are from a different manufacturer than OEM. I have them on my LC and like them a lot.
Definitely interested in these lower arms, as it would be a game changer if they are OEM quality.
I really really doubt they would be OEM quality. At sub $100 price point it is hard to imagine they could produce the similar quality arms loaded with bushings and ball joints.
For comparison the B&A UCA are close $200, making me think their LCAs can't really be OEM quality!
Agreed. The bushings alone, through near-cost dealers, are ~$50 each. There's some extra cost when assemblies are split into multiple parts, but still... I can't see it.
I'm highly intrigued through. It would be fascinating to see a genuine OEM next to that sub $100 unit from Rock Auto. I wonder exactly what might be different.
The left front upper picture they have is OEM, but the item they deliver could be a chepo. Then we have to email with rockauto. They usually ask us to ship it back to them on our dime. No one answers the phone at rockauto to confirm. Other images they show are NOT oem. I did an extensive research with OEM parts and they are no where near OEM appearance.
Yeah, given my previous experience with Rock Auto I would expect nothing less.
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I don't have association with the seller!
does anyone know the beck/arnley number for the other side? Its almost worth the risk of having to return them if they're toyota arms.
edit: found them. dont think the other side is a toyota part.
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I have ordered Intermotor parts from AdvanceAuto on occasion to see if they are reboxed OEM. Most cases were yes. Their no-hassle returns made it easy when I didn't decide to keep them. I bought quite a bit of Intermotor from Advance over the years when you could get 40 percent off with an online discount coupon. The coupon deal no longer exists and it costs about the same money to buy new OEM from an online seller. I haven't bought that much Beck over the years to get into the pattern. Idoes anyone know the beck/arnley number for the other side? Its almost worth the risk of having to return them if they're toyota arms.
edit: found them. dont think the other side is a toyota part.
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OEM on left, Beck Arnley on right. Can't remember where box said it was made
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I just did this as well. Box said Taiwan.
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been almost a year on it, can't really complain, but i also dont beat on my truck- its mostly all pavement.
That being said my front end and steering rack all need attention so...
That being said my front end and steering rack all need attention so...
Is there a database for these parts that are OEM?
You mean like what parts are made by what sub-suppliers?
FWIW, People will argue against this, but buying parts via the OEM suppliers (IE Denso instead of Toyota/Lexus, Aisin instead of Toyota/Lexus, etc...) is not getting you the exact same part at the same quality level as the genuine stuff. It's close and the next best thing, but it is not identical. It may come from the same tooling specifications and it may share some quality standards, but for most parts the Toyota/Lexus component will have higher quality standards and verifications than the sub-supplier direct parts. I say this as someone that's received multiple DOA sub-supplier parts and felt the sting of wasted labor over the last 10-15 years. I'm also a manufacturing engineer that's worked for multiple corporations that use a similar sub-supplier/rebranded relationship. Sometimes (but rarely) items are just reboxed. In my experience more often, they are not. There's more to it. Quality standards are altered. 4 thou +/- is loosened to 10 thou +/-, etc... Acceptance criteria is widened or restricted. Lot tracking is held to higher standards. ISO 9000 standards are taken more seriously. On and on and on. Manufacturing, particularly extremely high reliability items like most auto parts, can be done a hundred different ways even if you're using the same tooling to do the job. Maintaining Toyota manufacturing standards is very difficult. So difficult, Toyota's mindset on quality control is an entire educational topic of its own. The Denso parts that are so reliable in Toyota vehicles are not as good as they are because Denso wants to make good parts. The Denso parts are so reliable and consistent because Toyota demands it. That does not apply to the aftermarket parts sold from Denso/Aisin/etc..., but it does apply to the parts that end up being "genuine" Toyota/Lexus.
Didn't mean for that to turn into a large paragraph, but there ya go.
Boy that makes me feel better about BMW b58 engine that underwent Toyota reliability testing! But I digress.
I'd love to learn the inner workings of what Toyota really did on that project. Since so few of those parts ended up with a Toyota logo on it, I suspect not much. Toyota or BMW, though, I'm not walking into a dealer until the MK5 has a dual clutch or 3 pedal manual!
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Dumb Q.
are L+R UCA different PNs? Or if I wanted to roll the dice on that BA from rock auto do I just add 2 of them to my cart and they’ll work on either side.
are L+R UCA different PNs? Or if I wanted to roll the dice on that BA from rock auto do I just add 2 of them to my cart and they’ll work on either side.
Left and right are diferent. Buy their advertised BA ( or OEM) upper control arm. Their OEm control arm shows a Honda dealer in Clearwater FL. May be they bought a stock from a honda dealer who ordered incorrectly. Let us know I am sure interested in getting at least one OEM for cheap!
I 100% agree with this statement made by suprax7nut "FWIW, People will argue against this, but buying parts via the OEM suppliers (IE Denso instead of Toyota/Lexus, Aisin instead of Toyota/Lexus, etc...) is not getting you the exact same part at the same quality level as the genuine stuff."
I've been dealing with Toyotas and OEM parts since 1995 and been tried all other makes and NOTHING COMES CLOSER to a TOYOTA part in THEIR BOX.
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Thx for response. Only considering ordering that BA product because it literally shows the Toyota sticker on it. Just like how my parts come when I take them out of the Toyota box.
if I receive them without any indication of a Toyota sticker or box then back to rock auto they go. I’m out $10 for shipping.
