@TonyP I'm not defensive at all, in fact the more you argue the point the more defensive you are. I honestly have no dog in this fight. But I have a feeling if I start talking about a Benchmade knife or a Sig Sauer Pistol we can get just as heated and 'religious' about that. Which by the way makes me an automatic ambassador for those brands. I asked a legit question because you said "on Principle". I thought you were bantering back. If you don't like the product or the price of something don't buy it. But to tell me i cannot compare, more accurately highlight the similarity in community approach, two vendors on MUD who are regular forum participants, using said forum to support and develop their product is ridiculous. Your 'respect' has no bearing on the matter. Both are good people making good products. What I pointed out earlier was that ARB isn't here talking to you about how to improve or serve our community better and BOTH of these vendors are. I'm glad to hear that you bought a system from Dave - that means he will hopefully stay around and continue filling a need in the market.