ARB 40 "Catchers Mask" Bull Bar

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The most difficult part of the catcher mask design is filling the space between the front of the frame horns and the grill without encroaching too much on the front of the tires. Too one dimensional and the bumper looks like you bolted on a headframe to grandmas bed. The Three dimensional bends become more difficult to maintain consistency as the variations in tubing from batch to batch will result in changes that need to be adjusted for that need to be addressed with each new run. Having a fixed setting on a bender or even a press brake doesn't mean you can run the same exact settings from batch to batch. Two inch .120 wall HREW tubing has allowable tolerances of +/- .006 by acceptable industry standards which means your OD can vary by .012 and the wall thickness ranges from ~.114 to ~.122. This doesn't sound like a lot but a 90degree bend at a particular setting on a bender may yield an 87 degree bend with the next batch of steel. So bottom line is the most economical way to build a bumper like this is in batches. I'll start researching the project and try to find a solution. It may or may not be at 2001 ARB prices.
 
Well its a start to our demands!
Can you make a few cad drawings so the web wheelers can pitch some ideas to this undertaking?
 
The most difficult part of the catcher mask design is filling the space between the front of the frame horns and the grill without encroaching too much on the front of the tires. Too one dimensional and the bumper looks like you bolted on a headframe to grandmas bed. The Three dimensional bends become more difficult to maintain consistency as the variations in tubing from batch to batch will result in changes that need to be adjusted for that need to be addressed with each new run. Having a fixed setting on a bender or even a press brake doesn't mean you can run the same exact settings from batch to batch. Two inch .120 wall HREW tubing has allowable tolerances of +/- .006 by acceptable industry standards which means your OD can vary by .012 and the wall thickness ranges from ~.114 to ~.122. This doesn't sound like a lot but a 90degree bend at a particular setting on a bender may yield an 87 degree bend with the next batch of steel. So bottom line is the most economical way to build a bumper like this is in batches. I'll start researching the project and try to find a solution. It may or may not be at 2001 ARB prices.

Dave, I'm not following you. Are you still talking about replicating the ARB catcher's mask design? I thought that was off the table, for the reasons you mentioned.

What happened to the idea of modifying your 60 bumper design such that it would fit a 40? Wouldn't that be much simpler to produce, and less costly?
 
I consider the 60 bumper ( on the brown FJ60 ) and the ARB to be a "catchers mask" design. From a bending standpoint the ARB main hoop is actually easier than the 60. The ARB main hoop is a single plane with 4 bends and the 60 is a three dimensional plane with 6 bends. The ARB main hoop gets its third dimension by placing it on the corners of a swept back channel placing it behind the face of the channel then adding the protruding face. If all those lines were constricted to a single plane the result would be pretty homely. Neither is completely off the table. I may use elements of both. Out of respect for some poor Australian designer somewhere I don't like copying , in every detail, another persons idea without giving them credit. I will take the nuances of the bumper and see what I can come up. If I new the name of the original designer I'd make the call and ask permission, not ARB the corporation but the man behind the idea.
 
I consider the 60 bumper ( on the brown FJ60 ) and the ARB to be a "catchers mask" design. From a bending standpoint the ARB main hoop is actually easier than the 60. The ARB main hoop is a single plane with 4 bends and the 60 is a three dimensional plane with 6 bends. The ARB main hoop gets its third dimension by placing it on the corners of a swept back channel placing it behind the face of the channel then adding the protruding face. If all those lines were constricted to a single plane the result would be pretty homely. Neither is completely off the table. I may use elements of both. Out of respect for some poor Australian designer somewhere I don't like copying , in every detail, another persons idea without giving them credit. I will take the nuances of the bumper and see what I can come up. If I new the name of the original designer I'd make the call and ask permission, not ARB the corporation but the man behind the idea.

Thanks Dave. This time I got it. I'll be eager to see what you come up with.
 
The most difficult part of the catcher mask design is filling the space between the front of the frame horns and the grill without encroaching too much on the front of the tires.... I'll start researching the project and try to find a solution....

Dave, any progress on researching this project? I'm afraid it may not be practical from an economic standpoint, unless you have a number of buyers lined up prior to production.
 
nothing beyond cutting some blank channels. Won't get them back from braking until late next week.
This will take a few weeks to a month. I've got three customer rigs and a Man-A-Fre order going....and only one employee

Didn't intend to harass you Dave. Just bumping the thread up from page 9. Take your time. :cheers:
 
I consider the 60 bumper ( on the brown FJ60 ) and the ARB to be a "catchers mask" design. From a bending standpoint the ARB main hoop is actually easier than the 60. The ARB main hoop is a single plane with 4 bends and the 60 is a three dimensional plane with 6 bends. The ARB main hoop gets its third dimension by placing it on the corners of a swept back channel placing it behind the face of the channel then adding the protruding face. If all those lines were constricted to a single plane the result would be pretty homely. Neither is completely off the table. I may use elements of both. Out of respect for some poor Australian designer somewhere I don't like copying , in every detail, another persons idea without giving them credit. I will take the nuances of the bumper and see what I can come up. If I new the name of the original designer I'd make the call and ask permission, not ARB the corporation but the man behind the idea.

Excited to see what you come up with :cool:
 
Joel, I just got back from roundup. Sorry I didn't get to talk to you about this. I spoke to some bigwig at ARB several years ago about producing this bumper. He said they would consider doing another production run with a minimum of 20 units. No price was mentioned but I assumed it would have been at the old retail price, which was around $650. I didn't have 20 buyers so I never pursued the idea.

Lee, I like this idea and if anyone could pull it off it would be you. :)
 

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