Any consensus on bumpers? (2 Viewers)

[Hendlerj]

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Thank you for the gorgeous pictures! I have also done a trip with NAC. We will have to coordinate on that as well. Did you change the suspension to accommodate this bar? If so, to what?

 

[Hendlerj]

Thank you for the gorgeous pictures! I have also done a trip with NAC. We will have to coordinate on that as well. Did you change the suspension to accommodate this bar? If so, to what?

P.S. That bar looks mean. I think the deer are now actively avoiding you.

 

[rlynch356]

ARB Summit on a 2016+ will require modification for the type of winch access I want...

BUT.... Off-road animal may be bringing an offering to the USA, we shall see
That bar you install the winch after the Bull bar is mounted.... only one I know of that does not hide the winch.. which I have no idea why every other bar does that. most of the designs are almost as bad as a hidden winch..

 

[CharlieS]

Thank you for the gorgeous pictures! I have also done a trip with NAC. We will have to coordinate on that as well. Did you change the suspension to accommodate this bar? If so, to what?

I am running King 2.5 with 600lb King front and OME 2721 rear springs. I ran them before the bumper, and (kind of surprisingly) didn't need to make any adjustments after I added it, although I did talk with the vendor (Ben at Filthy Motorsports) about it.

 

[40Man]

Keep in mind some manufacturers have been through extensive testing and also have Australian ADR certification. That doesn't have any legal relevance in the US, but does give me a sense that they have been tested and through the rigors of certification. That's not to say that a bumper that isn't certified is bad in any way, but it is a data point that may factor into some decisions.

I've never received a definitive answer if the Australian certified bumpers are actually crash tested, or if it is based on computer modeling or other factors. Airbag certification seems to be "easy" as a bumper generally won't affect the airbag sensors.

My understanding is ADR certification is also supposed keep the car similarly safe as a stock vehicle (vehicles in AUS can't go above a 2" lift without additional certification so most people don't do it as I understand).

My thought is a heavy bumper will protect you more in crashes with smaller vehicles, but in a larger crash, hitting a tree, brick wall etc., it could make it worse, so I'm not sure how the ADR determines whether it is safe as stock, as there are so many variables.

Either way, I don't mind having the ADR requirement in AUS, as it at least has some testing on a good amount of the armor products in the U.S, although I tend to agree that non-ADR certified bumpers may not be any different. Kind of like the 3 peak snowflake on tires, I'd think most tires would pass if they manufacturer pays to have them certified.

 

[Hendlerj]

I've never received a definitive answer if the Australian certified bumpers are actually crash tested, or if it is based on computer modeling or other factors. Airbag certification seems to be "easy" as a bumper generally won't affect the airbag sensors.

My understanding is ADR certification is also supposed keep the car similarly safe as a stock vehicle (vehicles in AUS can't go above a 2" lift without additional certification so most people don't do it as I understand).

My thought is a heavy bumper will protect you more in crashes with smaller vehicles, but in a larger crash, hitting a tree, brick wall etc., it could make it worse, so I'm not sure how the ADR determines whether it is safe as stock, as there are so many variables.

Either way, I don't mind having the ADR requirement in AUS, as it at least has some testing on a good amount of the armor products in the U.S, although I tend to agree that non-ADR certified bumpers may not be any different. Kind of like the 3 peak snowflake on tires, I'd think most tires would pass if they manufacturer pays to have them certified.

Here is a cool video I found on the crash testing done by TJM......https://youtu.be/i2foHYCS92w

 

[re500]

Dissent just announced a sale thread if you are interested Dissent LC200 front bumper sale, short lead times - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/dissent-lc200-front-bumper-sale-short-lead-times.1304702/unread

 

[b00001]

If installing a bumper on the LX570, are new springs pretty much required? I assume the AHC is going to need more help vs stock bumper. On the 470's you could just torque the torsion bars and call it good. What are you doing on the 570's?

 

[grinchy]

If installing a bumper on the LX570, are new springs pretty much required? I assume the AHC is going to need more help vs stock bumper. On the 470's you could just torque the torsion bars and call it good. What are you doing on the 570's?

Good question. We've turned to sprint racing tech.

‘Spring rubbers’ LX570 missing link for attitude control on normal builds (non long travel)

Topic: spring rubbers and other ways to modify your base spring rate Why: it works, it easy to install and remove, it’s cheap. And also to get this chatter out of the long travel thread, where more extensive mods are taking place What: spring rubbers are plastic shims that you put in your...

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[b00001]

Good question. We've turned to sprint racing tech.

‘Spring rubbers’ LX570 missing link for attitude control on normal builds (non long travel)

Topic: spring rubbers and other ways to modify your base spring rate Why: it works, it easy to install and remove, it’s cheap. And also to get this chatter out of the long travel thread, where more extensive mods are taking place What: spring rubbers are plastic shims that you put in your...

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Thank you. I will have to read up on these.

 

[afgman786]

As I recall, most if not all of the major bumpers have a similar design where the bumper shell mounts to the inner winch frame. The ARB and Ironman both weigh about 200 lbs. with identical 60.3mm outer tube diameter on both and the TJM is slightly more stout at 211 lbs. with a 63mm outer tube diameter. The clearance to the headlight tabs needs a bit of work on the Ironman, but is a fairly simple process. Besides that, I'd say it is basically identical to the ARB in weight/protection, which makes sense as it appears IM largely copied the ARB design (I actually like the curvature on the IM bar a bit better).

I think install goes a long way on any of these bumpers, and making sure you have enough clearance to take an impact without damaging sheet metal is key.

If you are considering deer strikes as the primary factor, I'd take a heavy steel ARB/Ironman/TJM over the Dissent or Aluminum Victory bull bars. The Aluminum bumpers give you a lot lighter weight, less corrosion (longevity) and the Dissent is clearly a higher build quality. The Dissent offers a lot based on its strength to weight ratio, and allowing you to run a bar without going to a really heavy suspension, it is also very expensive.

The reason there is no consensus is everyone has different needs. The IM can also be had for close to $1100 shipped with their regular 25% off sales, which is a very good deal in the current market.

I feel like the IM is not as stout as the ARB or TJM. Have a club member with an ARB on his 200 and it just seems overall stronger. When knocking on the wings it's a solid sound compared to the tin of the IM I have. Also ARB winch mounts into the bumper which should mean the bumper is stronger compared to the winch cradle being a separate piece

 

[highfructose]

I have a 2014 LC200 with 99,789 miles on her. She is still stock. For her 100k birthday, I am thinking about getting her some bumpers, armor, lift, etc. I cannot figure out if there is any consensus on best front bumper. I like the look of the Victory 4x4 strike the best, but I read some mixed reviews on quality. Is there a thread that gives some consensus on front bumpers?

I like the styling and price of the ironman front and arb non swingaway rear. Only around $2300 total. Another $1200 or so for sliders and you’re largely protected from animal strikes and the common off-roading body damage for $3500.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

This is a great video.
Thanks for sharing!

I like Ronny Dahl's videos. He just released a new one specifically about bumpers.

 

[anavant]

Question, with stock suspension is the TJM heavy enough to cause the front end to sit lower than rear?

 

[dogfishlake]

We have a TJM on ours (bought the truck with it on there). It is very stout and ready for "Michigan Roos", which hasn't happened YET.

The truck is lifted but I would have to say it would likely squat a stock truck front at least a half inch.

I am an ARB fan because I love the full coverage bumper but this one is really great.

It will come down to choices because I see a lot of votes for Slee and Dissent, and they are both awesome shops with excellent offerings too.

My 2 cents

Good Luck!

 

[Hendlerj]

We have a TJM on ours (bought the truck with it on there). It is very stout and ready for "Michigan Roos", which hasn't happened YET.

The truck is lifted but I would have to say it would likely squat a stock truck front at least a half inch.

I am an ARB fan because I love the full coverage bumper but this one is really great.

It will come down to choices because I see a lot of votes for Slee and Dissent, and they are both awesome shops with excellent offerings too.

My 2 cents

Good Luck!
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It looks awesome from this angle. Can you please post a picture from the side?

 

[dogfishlake]

It looks awesome from this angle. Can you please post a picture from the side?

This is all I can find at the moment.

 

[Hendlerj]

This is all I can find at the moment.
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Looks awesome. Thank you!

 

[JAS4]

Maybe there is consensus in that this beast is WAY too much…. for anywhere safe to be driving

 

[Hendlerj]

Someone told me today that radar cruiser control will not work if I put on a full bull bar. Is that true?