Clockwise = tightening the nut = righty tighty when you’re staring up at it from under the truck. Doesn’t matter which way your head or feet are as long as you’re looking up from underneath.
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no I trust you, i just thought i was missing something is all. makes sense! and clockwise turns means under the car head pointing to front bumper on my back?
You sir are my hero! I can do this! Thanks!!!Yes – when looking from below at the bolt-head on the Torsion Bar adjuster, turn clockwise for two separate purposes:
Turn the Torsion Bar adjusters anti-clockwise for the opposite effects.
- increase level on that side during the ‘cross-levelling’ step. NOTE: The main purpose of the so-called ‘cross-levelling’ step on an AHC vehicle is to ensure that both torsion bars are carrying equal loads. This will happen when the hub-to-fender distance is the same on Front Left and Front Right,
- increase the load carried by BOTH torsion bars. This reduces the load carried by the front AHC system. In this way, the front AHC neutral pressure is lowered. NOTE: For comparison with FSM specifications, neutral pressures must be measured with vehicle at the correct operating heights.
These are the only purposes of the torsion bar adjusters on an AHC vehicle.
The ‘operating height’ sometimes called the ‘ride height’ – hub-to-fender: front 19.75 inches, rear 20.50 inches – on an AHC vehicle is set by moving the Height Control Sensor adjusters and not the torsion bar adjusters. This is because the AHC system uses the average of the two front Height Control Sensors to choose the Front Height of the vehicle and uses the single Rear Height Control Sensor to choose the Rear Height of the vehicle, regardless of what the front torsion bars and rear springs may be doing (within limits).
Different to a non-AHC vehicle, on an AHC vehicle the Torsion Bar adjusters are NOT used to set the ‘operating height’.
At the front, shortening the Height Control Sensor adjuster using the double-ended Heim bolt (or pushing the slider upwards) causes the vehicle to rise. Start with small changes at the Height Control Sensor adjusters – say 2 or 3 millimetres or one-eighth inch to see the effect of maybe 10 to 12 millimetres or half-inch on the hub-to-fender measurement.
The Electronic Control Unit (ECU) for the AHC system assumes that the torsion bars are correctly and equally set -- but the ECU has no connection to the torsion bars and no way of knowing whether they are correctly set or not. If the torsion bars are not equally loaded, then the vehicle will perform strangely on the road – Left turns will feel different to Right turns – and it will be more difficult to set the ‘operating heights’ correctly.
Then, if incorrect or widely differing ‘operating heights’ cause a conflict to be received by the ECU, it will default to a ‘fail safe’ mode in which variable damping will cease and poor ride quality will be experienced.
For all of that, the AHC system is not as complicated as it may seem at the start, there is nothing to fear, nothing which cannot be corrected -- you have done the research – all will become clearer as you learn-by-doing.
There is an important safety rule: Measurement of ‘operating heights’ and ‘neutral pressures’ etc must be done with the engine and AHC “ON”. Turn engine and AHC “OFF” when making actual adjustments to avoid risks of sudden movements of the vehicle and potential injury risks to head, hands and body. Then turn engine and AHC back “ON” to see the effects of changes with head, hands and body well clear of the vehicle.
Torsion Bar Adjuster
View attachment 2447545
Left and Right Front Height Control Sensor Adjusters
View attachment 2447547
Yes – when looking from below at the bolt-head on the Torsion Bar adjuster, turn clockwise for two separate purposes:
Turn the Torsion Bar adjusters anti-clockwise for the opposite effects.
- increase level on that side during the ‘cross-levelling’ step. NOTE: The main purpose of the so-called ‘cross-levelling’ step on an AHC vehicle is to ensure that both torsion bars are carrying equal loads. This will happen when the hub-to-fender distance is the same on Front Left and Front Right,
- increase the load carried by BOTH torsion bars. This reduces the load carried by the front AHC system. In this way, the front AHC neutral pressure is lowered. NOTE: For comparison with FSM specifications, neutral pressures must be measured with vehicle at the correct operating heights.
These are the only purposes of the torsion bar adjusters on an AHC vehicle.
The ‘operating height’ sometimes called the ‘ride height’ – hub-to-fender: front 19.75 inches, rear 20.50 inches – on an AHC vehicle is set by moving the Height Control Sensor adjusters and not the torsion bar adjusters. This is because the AHC system uses the average of the two front Height Control Sensors to choose the Front Height of the vehicle and uses the single Rear Height Control Sensor to choose the Rear Height of the vehicle, regardless of what the front torsion bars and rear springs may be doing (within limits).
Different to a non-AHC vehicle, on an AHC vehicle the Torsion Bar adjusters are NOT used to set the ‘operating height’.
At the front, shortening the Height Control Sensor adjuster using the double-ended Heim bolt (or pushing the slider upwards) causes the vehicle to rise. Start with small changes at the Height Control Sensor adjusters – say 2 or 3 millimetres or one-eighth inch to see the effect of maybe 10 to 12 millimetres or half-inch on the hub-to-fender measurement.
The Electronic Control Unit (ECU) for the AHC system assumes that the torsion bars are correctly and equally set -- but the ECU has no connection to the torsion bars and no way of knowing whether they are correctly set or not. If the torsion bars are not equally loaded, then the vehicle will perform strangely on the road – Left turns will feel different to Right turns – and it will be more difficult to set the ‘operating heights’ correctly.
Then, if incorrect or widely differing ‘operating heights’ cause a conflict to be received by the ECU, it will default to a ‘fail safe’ mode in which variable damping will cease and poor ride quality will be experienced.
For all of that, the AHC system is not as complicated as it may seem at the start, there is nothing to fear, nothing which cannot be corrected -- you have done the research – all will become clearer as you learn-by-doing.
There is an important safety rule: Measurement of ‘operating heights’ and ‘neutral pressures’ etc must be done with the engine and AHC “ON”. Turn engine and AHC “OFF” when making actual adjustments to avoid risks of sudden movements of the vehicle and potential injury risks to head, hands and body. Then turn engine and AHC back “ON” to see the effects of changes with head, hands and body well clear of the vehicle.
Torsion Bar Adjuster
View attachment 2447545
Left and Right Front Height Control Sensor Adjusters
View attachment 2447547
Thank you for the very helpful info and pics!
In my case, 18.5" driver side hub-to-fender and 19.25" passenger side, would it be sufficient to crank up the driver side torsion bar, or do I also likely need to adjust the height sensors to make both sides at 19.75"?
Thanks!
As promised:
Do not adjust height sensors in your case. Crank torsion bars to get the side to side level, then pull up techstream and see if the +/- values on there match up with reality. If they do, you're done. If they do not (IE you're level, but techstream says on side is .75 inch low) then you would adjust height sensors.
Keep in mind the height sensors do not control side to side height at all. The ONLY thing that determines side to side height is the torsion bars.
Well, it's all about the weight. I have aluminum front with steel bull bar and a 12.5k winch and sliders. If you have a steel bumper with no bull bar and no winch, you probably have less weight than I do. Mine feels quite good and I've got the torsion bars supplying too much of the support force right now. I probably need to wind them back a few turns.@suprarx7nut great video, have done this in the past and it’s great to have it all together in a video.
Question: With steel bumpers and sliders does it make sense to change out TB bars to at least LC Non AHC size?
I have LC non AHC springs.
Starting to get bouncy and thinking of new globes as well.
Well, it's all about the weight. I have aluminum front with steel bull bar and a 12.5k winch and sliders. If you have a steel bumper with no bull bar and no winch, you probably have less weight than I do. Mine feels quite good and I've got the torsion bars supplying too much of the support force right now. I probably need to wind them back a few turns.
Consider this. From what I've read in various sources, the AHC system is meant to carry somewhere between 40 and 60% of the vehicles weight. The vehicle has around 2500 lbs (wild guess) over each axle. If you increase the weight by 200 lbs in the front, that's an increase of only ~8% on the front axle.
AHC vs non AHC springs are, theoretically, different by roughly 40%+. If you add 8% weight and change spring rate by 40% you're adjusting way too far. You go from being 8% off to being 32% off in the other direction.
I'm a fan of keeping the LX AHC bars in almost all cases. I'm not sure you can add enough weight to make the non-AHC bars have a more appropriate spring rate and the AHC bars have plenty of adjustment to carry a LOT of extra weight.
Well, it's all about the weight. I have aluminum front with steel bull bar and a 12.5k winch and sliders. If you have a steel bumper with no bull bar and no winch, you probably have less weight than I do. Mine feels quite good and I've got the torsion bars supplying too much of the support force right now. I probably need to wind them back a few turns.
Consider this. From what I've read in various sources, the AHC system is meant to carry somewhere between 40 and 60% of the vehicles weight. The vehicle has around 2500 lbs (wild guess) over each axle. If you increase the weight by 200 lbs in the front, that's an increase of only ~8% on the front axle.
AHC vs non AHC springs are, theoretically, different by roughly 40%+. If you add 8% weight and change spring rate by 40% you're adjusting way too far. You go from being 8% off to being 32% off in the other direction.
I'm a fan of keeping the LX AHC bars in almost all cases. I'm not sure you can add enough weight to make the non-AHC bars have a more appropriate spring rate and the AHC bars have plenty of adjustment to carry a LOT of extra weight.
@suprarx7nut: Is there possible harm in allowing the system to operate underneath the spec pressures? Other than possibly feeling “oversprung” might there be any potential damage to the system? Over-pressure, sure—seals leak more, pump has to work harder, etc. But under-pressured seems like it wouldn’t cause premature wear...?
Helpful post. My front end dropped a couple times in that past couple weeks. It would correct itself on my next drive. This week it dropped and wouldn't return to N.
I was finally was able to TS yesterday as I found my lost TS cable.
Sure enough FR Height Sensor had a fault.
Removed the sensor and took it apart. One spring and contact were corroded. Fortunately I had harvested 3 sensors from the local UPick junkyard.
Swapped a back and a spring and now AHC is working and I can get readings.
CTRL C in my TS will copy any highlighted rows into a text file.
Now to PB my TB bolts and do some cranking later.
1998 LX470 2UZ-FE
10/4/2020 1:39:39 PM
[AHC Live] System
[Parameter] [Value] [Unit]
FR Height Control Sensor -0.0 inch
FL Height Control Sensor -0.1 inch
RR Height Control Sensor -0.1 inch
Front Pressure Sensor 8.3 Mpa-g
Rear Pressure Sensor 7.1 Mpa-g
Accumulator Press Sensor 10.3 Mpa-g
Oil Temperature Sensor 127 F
@suprarx7nut - thanks for the awesome video and guide. I went through it today and just adding a few notes if it helps others.
Here's some screenshots from techstream. This is a new-to-me 2003 LX with ~250k miles so I don't know what adjustments were done beforehand.
- The temperature sensor has a clip on the bottom side much closer to the fluid reservoir than it is to the exposed wires. This needs to be depressed and the connection will release easily. I was pushing on what I assumed to be the release but in the wrong place because I couldn't see the bottom side.
- I had to go out and buy a 30mm 6 point socket. I was having trouble finding a 6 point socket but an axle nut socket fit the bill.
- The torsion bar adjustment is much farther back than I assumed it would be. I thought it would be by the front suspension bits, but it's well back from that. Pretty easy to find though.
- PB Blaster and jacking up the front suspension made the nut very easy to turn.
1. Initial readings. I did three, but only showing one screenshot. In between measurements I moved the car, backing it into the garage and then the final reading facing front again. They do read different so don't take just one measurement. Initial readings showed the front pressure to be high out of spec.
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After adjusting the right torsion bar to level the vehicle (4 turns) The pressures look much better. The FL height control sensor is out of whack though. I had replaced it a few weeks ago because it snapped and just guessed at the location but didn't actually adjust it until seeing this.
View attachment 3258923
Final result. Much better all zeroes for height and the pressures seem to be good.
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I have a set of four globes that I intend to put on soon. The ride already feels much better, but I'm hoping that the globes will restore the factory quality to the ride. We'll see!
Thanks again for the guide