80 vs. 100

[fj803fe]

First Fk what a magazine rates an LC at...payoffs. Thats the game. I have never seen a magazine ANY magazine that hasn't a bias fromt the get-go or has picked the rig that is most capable. In all the years that JP pulls away with "4-wheeler of the Year" has it 'actually' been that?...NO, Not even close.

Next, I love my 100, but the uniqueness of the engine is not to itself-its in the Sequoia, Tundra, etc, etc. The 1fz? its in the LC...the 3fe? its in the LC...the 2F? its in the LC-therein lies your unique quality. I guarantee my 2UZFE will NOT outlast my 3fe... And I am meticulous with my engine care.

As far as takin the fam out for a EASY outing with the sense that you 'could' make it out of where you may head. The 100 is your rig. You want moderate wheeling-then modify.

My 80 is flat out the most capable off road machine with the least amount of ods needed-hand down no contest.

My 85 4Runner was flat out the best rock crawler I've ever been in. But after 5 yrs of additions...

Rockin the boat one more time

 

[Beowulf]

... the 100 clearly excels in almost every area.

No contest. While the 100 might get a "pretty ribbon" it won't beat out 80's on the trail.

-B-

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

No contest. While the 100 might get a "pretty ribbon" it won't beat out 80's on the trail.

-B-

Very well said. Who made that statement? They were brilliant! I'd like to shake their hand.

I must comment on their staement however:

Hands down, the 80 has the edge in an extreme situation off-road over the 100. I'm glad I have my 80 in that ONE spot every ONE month (at best).

On the rest of that difficult trail, and the rest of the month I sure am glad I have my 100. It's excels over my 80 in almost every way.

So, back to that person's statement? What does he mean by "beat"? I know my 100 beats my 80 99% of the time on and off road. Maybe he's referring to that 1% obstacle?

 

[aey_bee_see]

If 99% = difficult and 1% = extreme and extreme > difficult then 1% beats 99%!

 

[Cruiserhead05]

Very well said. Who made that statement? They were brilliant! I'd like to shake their hand.

I must comment on their staement however:

Hands down, the 80 has the edge in an extreme situation off-road over the 100. I'm glad I have my 80 in that ONE spot every ONE month (at best).

On the rest of that difficult trail, and the rest of the month I sure am glad I have my 100. It's excels over my 80 in almost every way.

So, back to that person's statement? What does he mean by "beat"? I know my 100 beats my 80 99% of the time on and off road. Maybe he's referring to that 1% obstacle?

Heres the problem.

It seems to me, when most people argue for the 80...they are talking about its pure 4x4 capabilty. Beo is referring to how well it wheels while comfort is a huge issue for you. You admit the 80 has an edge in extreme situations but the 100 excels in almost every way....thats kind of contradictory.

 

[Cruiserhead05]

Hands down, the 80 has the edge in an extreme situation off-road over the 100. I'm glad I have my 80 in that ONE spot every ONE month (at best).

If that how you feel about your 80 i will gladly take it off your hands.

 

[aey_bee_see]

The way I understand it, John is saying that he uses his 100 99% most of the time because it is also a capable 4x4 and at the same time, comfortable. But when it's time to pull the 'big gun,' he goes for his 80, which he uses 1% of the time. In extreme conditions.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

The way I understand it, John is saying that he uses his 100 99% most of the time because it is also a capable 4x4 and at the same time, comfortable. But when it's time to pull the 'big gun,' he goes for his 80, which he uses 1% of the time. In extreme conditions.

RIGHT ON!

And to answer CHead05's ? about comfort vs capability....it depends on the trail. Saturday...on our Club run (difficult) we came to one spot where the 80 in front of me (4" lift) struggled and couldn't climb. Finally he locked his lockers and still spun on all 4. 3rd attempt up he came. Then I went in the 100. TRAC kicked in and on my 1st attempt I was up like nothing. Next up was Walt behind me in his 80 (5" lift). He was a repeat of the first 80. No go, then lock, then no go...then up he went.

There were other obstacles where I had to lock too. And I'm not saying TRAC is better than lockers overall though many times TRAC is superior. The 100 has that advantage.

Hey, if Amando can run the Rubi, then what's left to prove or argue about? Sure he struggled more on that trail than some 80's (though I bet the 80's had bigger lifts)? Bottom line was that he made it and without damage. In between his Rubi visits, reality is that his 100 kicks ass over our 80s in just about every way. The 100's do not need to prove themselves any longer just like the 80's don't when they were dogged in the mid-90's.

 

[Cruiserhead05]

RIGHT ON!

And to answer CHead05's ? about comfort vs capability....it depends on the trail. Saturday...on our Club run (difficult) we came to one spot where the 80 in front of me (4" lift) struggled and couldn't climb. Finally he locked his lockers and still spun on all 4. 3rd attempt up he came. Then I went in the 100. TRAC kicked in and on my 1st attempt I was up like nothing. Next up was Walt behind me in his 80 (5" lift). He was a repeat of the first 80. No go, then lock, then no go...then up he went.

Shotts i agree with you on alot of this type of stuff. No one is saying the 100 is bad but i will say that the above paragraph really doesnt say much...to me at least, and here is why.

So much of what a vehicle can do, where it can go, and how it well it goes places depends on the driver...I am by no means saying the two 80 drivers were poor at all. All i know is, at Coal Mine this last summer a guy came out with us both days in a stock 2nd gen. 4Runner with no lift, no lockers, 31 inch At's and it was a MANUAL.....
The man knew how to drive and made obstacles in the stock 4runner look easier then me(noob) driving a lifted, locked 80. Is a 2nd gen stock runner better more capable then a locked 80, NO

 

[Aseif007]

Bottom line is they are all Landcruisers, and all very capable. I personally favor the 80 series (because I have one), but that doesn't mean that the 100s suck. After butting heads with Shotts, then shutting my trap and reading his many posts defending the capablility of his rig, I wouldn;t worry about having one on the trail anymore. I was a 100 hater in the beginning, but after driving one and checking them out closer I wouldn;t mind having one off road. Although I am not a fan of IFS, but I guess I could get used to it. And since all the parts are shared between most of Toyota's 4X4s I would consider that an advantage. When I go to buy parts for my FJ-62 most of them are FJ-62 specific, making them way more expensive and never in stock. But they are more stout than most other parts used on the Toyota 4X4s of that era, and that is the way they should be now considering the price difference between other Toyota 4X4s. But that is not true and since a lot of the components are shared now, they could possibly be more available and maybe even cheaper. But in the end we all own Cruisers. I just don't think I will ever be a fan of the newest Landcruiser, the FJ poser.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts i agree with you on alot of this type of stuff. No one is saying the 100 is bad but i will say that the above paragraph really doesnt say much...to me at least, and here is why.

So much of what a vehicle can do, where it can go, and how it well it goes places depends on the driver...I am by no means saying the two 80 drivers were poor at all. All i know is, at Coal Mine this last summer a guy came out with us both days in a stock 2nd gen. 4Runner with no lift, no lockers, 31 inch At's and it was a MANUAL.....
The man knew how to drive and made obstacles in the stock 4runner look easier then me(noob) driving a lifted, locked 80. Is a 2nd gen stock runner better more capable then a locked 80, NO

Right on. Agreed.

I think in this spot tough, the TRAC had the small advantage. It was very tight in that spot (I now have some BIG pinstriping on the 100. That's the one thing I still try to avoid.). There was pretty much one line and it was off-camber. I think that's why the locked 80's just spun in place? I don't know what they could have done better? Bumped it maybe? Though I crawled. Heck, I don't know. Was just thinking, and that's scary!

And ya know, I'm glad these Cruisers last so long. That's why these arguments are pretty-much pointless. Looking at all the Cruisers out there, damn I'd luv to have my friend Dan's 40. Then there's John B's Pig with 37's. Nice 60's abound everywhere. I'm glad I got pulled in to Cruisers and not Jeeps or Rovers.

 

[Cruiserhead05]

And ya know, I'm glad these Cruisers last so long. That's why these arguments are pretty-much pointless. Looking at all the Cruisers out there, damn I'd luv to have my friend Dan's 40. Then there's John B's Pig with 37's. Nice 60's abound everywhere. I'm glad I got pulled in to Cruisers and not Jeeps or Rovers.

Agreed.

 

[concretejungle]

Maybe he's referring to that 1% obstacle?

That 1% obstacle could mean making it home or not.

 

[reffug]

I am debating on wether I should use my mod powers for good or evil.

Depending on how you look at this thread either choice I could make could be interpreted as good or evil.

Now please folks for the love of pete...................................


STOP BEATING THE HORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ITS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Beowulf]

Beo is referring to how well it wheels while comfort is a huge issue for you.

Brandon,

Beo was only making light of a prior statement of fact by Shotts.

Shotts has both an 80 & 100...
And Shotts made the statement that I repeated above (in jest.)
And some people (not me, of course) would suggest that Shotts talks out of both sides of his mouth; not to mention that he obviously likes to hear himself talk.

I really don't care to get into a pissing contest on the relative merits of the 100 vs the 80. I have never ridden in or driven a 100 Series so I am not qualified to voice an opinion on it's off-road or on-road abilities.

-B-

 

[Bear80]

80, 100 What about the 105??? I'd buy one in a heart-beat if I could. It has the best of both. I happen to love the 80 because of the large fender flares and the factory f&r lockers. While I like the updated interior of the 100, exterior is up in the air. Yeah you can add aftermarket stuff such as lockers to any vechicle but it's just cooler to say it was stock. Put me flares on a 105 and I'm sold, who cares about being a little larger, these things an't mini trucks!

Oh and the 105 has the updated 1fze which I belive makes close to the power of a 2uz and you can still slap a super charger on that bad boy! And they still run the a442 if I'm not mistaken. I happen to think its just heavier duty even though I have no doubts about my a343 in my 80.

And IFS ROCKS!!!! My '86 IFS mini can go places my 80 can only dream, mostly due to size and weight and also vise versa due to the lockers in the 80.

I'm just waiting for a well setup up IFS/IRS like the new RR to come out. Solid axle vehicles have been proven but a balanced fully independant setup can do just as well.

You can't really compair the 80 to the 100. (For ones still in production) It's like compairing the 80 to the 90 or 100 to the 120. Each is its own beast. Lets not forget the 62 (Out of production) still carried the larger and IMO stronger front Diff vs the 80's and 100's even smaller ifs carrier.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

That 1% obstacle could mean making it home or not.

Amen bro! That's why ya bring a Cruiser in the first place.

 

[CJF]

STOP BEATING THE HORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ITS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not till you put it (us) out of its (our) misery, apparently...

 

[Pskhaat]

Next, I love my 100, but the uniqueness of the engine is not to itself-its in the Sequoia, Tundra, etc, etc. The 1fz? its in the LC...the 3fe? its in the LC...the 2F? its in the LC-therein lies your unique quality.

Very good point about it being `unique' in that the engine basics are not shared between non-LC models until the 2UZ-FE.

I do believe the 2UZ-FE was a convenient engine for LC, but I don't think (correct me?) that it was designed specifically for it. I believe it was introduced solely as a sales mechanism for saying the LC had an 8cyl and honestly, the LC needed a little more HP in the US market anyway.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Very good point about it being `unique' in that the engine basics are not shared between non-LC models until the 2UZ-FE.

I do believe the 2UZ-FE was a convenient engine for LC, but I don't think (correct me?) that it was designed specifically for it. I believe it was introduced solely as a sales mechanism for saying the LC had an 8cyl and honestly, the LC needed a little more HP in the US market anyway.

I think you're right on. The same pressure is on again because the 100's HP # is below the competition.

While the 80's engine was a first-rate product, the SUV was severely underpowered. The V8 in the 100 was a huge improvement. Now, in 2006, a lot of folks are asking for even more. We're spoiled in the US of A, huh?