6 lug to 5 lug good/bad?

[musthave]

I’m working on a build for a customer. They want to move up to a 17” wheel and 34” tires. I prefer 16’s but to each their own.

They want to go with a 5 lug wheel though.

I’ve got no experience with the adapters to go from 6 to 5 lug. I haven’t found a lot of information on my searches here.

So, asking here. Anybody do this? Common? Pros / cons?

 

[jfz80]

You could do the hub upgrade @SNLC has documented and working on currently. 79 series I believe. Lot of money to justify ???? A wheel choice ?

The 6 to 5 lug adapters on the market will act as spacers as well fwiw

 

[musthave]

I’ll have a look for that thread.

Spacer would be ok, but hopefully less than 1.5”.

 

[LC4LIFE]

Just tell them to buy a 100 series and be done with it.

 

[mjosoba]

See lots of tundra wheels for sale, cheap.

 

[leonard_nemoy]

Why would anyone care about 6 lug vs 5 lug. Is there a specific wheel the customer just has to have that is only available in a five lug configuration?

Maybe it is a new fad.... my rig identifies as a 5 lugger, it needs a lug change operation. The engineers at Toyota misidentified its natural lug pattern when he/she came off the factory line.

Haha, JK

Heck, who cares if they are willing to pay than give them what they want!!!!

 

[musthave]

Why would anyone care about 6 lug vs 5 lug. Is there a specific wheel the customer just has to have that is only available in a five lug configuration?

Maybe it is a new fad.... my rig identifies as a 5 lugger, it needs a lug change operation. The engineers at Toyota misidentified its natural lug pattern when he/she came off the factory line.

Haha, JK

Heck, who cares if they are willing to pay than give them what they want!!!!

It obviously identifies as a 5’lug’er. Toyota mistake.

Are there any cons to it though? Looks like there’s a 2” spacer. Which I wouldn’t want. Changes everything. But if they insist, I guess I’ll do it.

 

[jfz80]

So I’ll ask why again?

If a particular wheel that’s kinda silly but everyone is entitled to their Particular styles/likes/preferences. Or is it the one they already own that they don’t want to lose money on selling lol

If not for a particular wheel then you can offset that 2” adapter some by going up in backspacing. Still all kinda silly but going From 4.5” stock bs to 2” wheel adapter + 5.5” bs would net them 1” wider per side. 2” overall. Same as a 1” spacer with stock wheels

 

[musthave]

So I’ll ask why again?

If a particular wheel that’s kinda silly but everyone is entitled to their Particular styles/likes/preferences. Or is it the one they already own that they don’t want to lose money on selling lol

If not for a particular wheel then you can offset that 2” adapter some by going up in backspacing. Still all kinda silly but going From 4.5” stock bs to 2” wheel adapter + 5.5” bs would bet them 1” wider per side. 2” overall. Same as a 1” spacer with stock wheels

They fell in love with some AU 200 series wheels that I have. They’re great looking wheels but I wouldn’t ho through that much hassle.
and I will

So 1” isn’t that bad. Geometry changes but perhaps not too bad.

Any manufacturer better than others? Or a best o ne?

 

[cahill]

Sounds like the new 300 series has gone back to 6 lugs and my foggy brain thinks it remembers that the new tundra may due the same. Not sure what the backspacing is or what size they are 17 or 18 but it may open up some options to people wanting to use a larger wheel on an 80. I am guessing the wheels will be available for purchase from toyota even if we don't get the 300 series here in the US or have to wait for it longer than other markets.

 

[SNLC]

You could do the hub upgrade @SNLC has documented and working on currently. 79 series I believe. Lot of money to justify ???? A wheel choice ?

The 6 to 5 lug adapters on the market will act as spacers as well fwiw

It’s actually not that expensive if you know where and what to buy.

Front hubs with wheel bearings loaded and lug studs installed cost me only $120/each. ABS-less knuckles (not even needed) ran me $150/each.

Now the Diamond housings I want, thats about $3k for both ends.

Cheers

 

[marchthroughathens]

It’s actually not that expensive if you know where and what to buy.

This is not accurate, having bought all the parts myself.

For example, rear 105 axles alone cost $900 shipped from PARTSOUQ.
Thats without the side gears, and the labour to install them.

You need new rotors, front brake callipers, etc.

This is seriously a waste of money, unless it's an obsession.

 

[leonard_nemoy]

This is not accurate, having bought all the parts myself.

For example, rear 105 axles alone cost $900 shipped from PARTSOUQ.
Thats without the side gears, and the labour to install them.

You need new rotors, front brake callipers, etc.

This is seriously a waste of money, unless it's an obsession.

Sounds like you didn't know where and what to buy....

Partsouq is not always the best deal and some people have connections.

Remember, its not what you know, it's who you know.

 

[desmocruiser]

I know some Honda import car guys that went from 4 to 5 lugs to get stronger hubs and bigger brakes, l could justify that upgrade.

What is the advantage To From 6 to 5?

Are there that many more desirable wheel choices available in 17” 5 lug only that would look appropriate on an 80?

 

[marchthroughathens]

Sounds like you didn't know where and what to buy....

Partsouq is not always the best deal and some people have connections.

Remember, its not what you know, it's who you know.

Fair enough.

Anyway, my point is this job is a big under taking. There's a reason no one really does it.

Are there that many more desirable wheel choices available in 17” 5 lug only that would look appropriate on an 80?

No, if you want to run OEM 100/200 Tundra wheels, you have to use wheel spacers because of the 60+ offset. Thats a over 2 inch wheel spacer, just to get close to the stance of a stock 80 wheels.

 

[Squash]

You will find that a 79 series hub fits an 80. 5 lug, bigger dowels, bigger studs. I have tried the front, but not the rear.
If you cross reference the spindle part number you will find this part on other platforms, don't be afraid to try different years or models. I am fortunate because we use the Toyota's in underground mines.

 

[YMT]

I've always understood that the more lug nuts, the greater the strength. Tacoma 5 lug on 2wd aren't as heavy duty as the same make/model six lug. Hence why Heavy duty trucks (1 ton on up) have 8 lugs or more.
However, I tried searching for specific s, and couldn't come up with actual data to justify whether a 5 lug swap would be a negative, other than cost.

 

[SNLC]

The studs are larger and the dowels are larger. I have had them side by side, while it may only be 2mm larger that is substantially larger on hubs.

All these parts are rusty crusty on the Cruser. Which means I got to clean, rebuild and paint. New parts bolt on.

10,000+lbs 79’s running these, should be good for my 80 Ute.

Cheers

 

[mudgudgeon]

Front hubs can be swapped.
Rear hubs you have axle compatibility issues.
Axle flange diameter and stud PCD is different. And 79/105 series used 32 spline rear axles vs 30 spline 80 series. You'd need custom axle, or change side gears in the diff centre

 

[mudgudgeon]

I've always understood that the more lug nuts, the greater the strength. Tacoma 5 lug on 2wd aren't as heavy duty as the same make/model six lug. Hence why Heavy duty trucks (1 ton on up) have 8 lugs or more.
However, I tried searching for specific s, and couldn't come up with actual data to justify whether a 5 lug swap would be a negative, other than cost.

Wheel studs increased to 14mm stud. Clamping force and strength increased dramatically with 5x14mm studs vs 6x12mm
Have seen a comparison/ calculation done