5th gen 4 runner vs LC250

[krice118]

Does a fifth gen 4runner have beefier running gear than the new LC 250?

The GX550 has beefier axles than the Lqnd Cruiser. Curious how the 5th gen 4runner compares.

 

[APIOQM]

I think they’re both 8.2” diffs, so probably about the same strength.

 

[stonepa]

The GX550 has beefier axles than the Lqnd Cruiser. Curious how the 5th gen 4runner compares.

Where did you learn this??

 

[benc]

Where did you learn this??

Official specs were posted here but Toyota asked the op to take it down. These specs showed the lc250 to have smaller diffs than the gx550 which is unfortunate!

 

[stonepa]

Official specs were posted here but Toyota asked the op to take it down. These specs showed the lc250 to have smaller diffs than the gx550 which is unfortunate!

Interesting. First I’ve heard of that but makes sense given the difference in engine outputs.

 

[benc]

Interesting. First I’ve heard of that but makes sense given the difference in engine outputs.

I am assuming it was most likely an epa thing. The prototypes had the bigger diffs as far as I know. Even the prototype Tacoma had the bigger diffs but believe those are getting smaller diffs as well. Makes me wonder what the difference from the 6th gen 4 runner and lc250 will be? Going to be odd if they share the same drivetrain.

 

[stonepa]

I am assuming it was most likely an epa thing. The prototypes had the bigger diffs as far as I know. Even the prototype Tacoma had the bigger diffs but believe those are getting smaller diffs as well. Makes me wonder what the difference from the 6th gen 4 runner and lc250 will be? Going to be odd if they share the same drivetrain.

Why an EPA thing? I would think more likely cost.

 

[benc]

Why an EPA thing? I would think more likely cost.

Cause it seamed to be a last minute change and seems they needed to cut some weight to me. I don’t think they were able to get the fuel economy they needed so they made some last minute changes to get the numbers. Even with the weight cuts they still are not anywhere near the 30mpgs that was teased. We work pretty closely with Toyota directly and the smaller diffs were a surprise to most of my contacts as well.
The original data showed the gx and lc250 would share the 9.5 rear and 8.7 front.

 

[APIOQM]

Makes me wonder what the difference from the 6th gen 4 runner and lc250 will be? Going to be odd if they share the same drivetrain.

I believe this was the case for the previous generation Prado and 4Runner.

 

[krice118]

A car lot is selling a 2014 Landcruiser with 56k miles. Pictures look great, they are asking 50k. I haven't looked at it yet. But according to the salesman, it shows 3 owners but in 2019 it was rear ended and the air bags deployed. He said it does not have a salvage title. Is this something I should worry about? An accident 5 years ago?

Again, pictures look good but I don't know if other problems persist.

Thanks

Sean

I believe this was the case for the previous generation Prado and 4Runner.

This is true but the Land Cruiser sold in America was different. Will be interesting to see what differences the new 4Runner will have va the Land Cruiser. The 150 was a very different vehicle vs the 200 series.

 

[benc]

I believe this was the case for the previous generation Prado and 4Runner.

Yes but we didn’t get the Prado. Doesn’t make sense to me why we would have the 4runner and lc250 if they are the same. Originally the lc250 was getting the bigger engine and drivetrain but that had to change due to the CAFE standards.

 

[krice118]

Yes but we didn’t get the Prado. Doesn’t make sense to me why we would have the 4runner and lc250 if they are the same. Originally the lc250 was getting the bigger engine and drivetrain but that had to change due to the CAFE standards.

Exactly. Very interesting how blurred the lines will be on 6th gen runner and LC250

 

[Jetboy]

I don't think there's a clear reason the lc250 exists separate from 4Runner beyond capitalizing on the land cruiser name. At least nothing that's clear with the limited info we have right now. We don't know for sure what the 4Runner is or how it compares. But it looks a lot like the lc250 is close to a TRD OR 4Runner with AWD and SR5 shocks.

Toyota contines to refuse to build a medium duty midsize SUV in less than luxury trim for the USA market in favor of tying the heavier running grear and engines to the models least likely to ever use them. And refuses to pair up the best off-road components with the HD powertrain for this market. Toyota is going to Toyota: you want 400hp and HD running gear in a 40k Tundra? You got it. $70k Land cruiser? GTFO.

Whatever confusion I have - my Toyota stock keeps going up so they're doing something right.

 

[Rednexus]

The differential/"heavy duty" horse has been beat dead in this thread. The consensus is that it has the same or slightly improved 8.2" diff as the current 5th gen 4Runner and GX460, while the GX550 and LC300/LX600/Sequoia have the same 9.5" diffs as the LC200.

This kind of removed the LC250 from future consideration for me (though I have so much time and $$ invested in my GX470 that I intend to hold on to it for 5+ years anyway). I personally don't see the LC250 being a material improvement over the very proven GX460 (outside of fuel economy) while having less power and drivetrain robustness than a GX550. The GX550 is, on paper, is a pretty big improvement in capability over a GX460.

However I probably would pick a LC250 over a 5th gen 4Runner, just to avoid the under-powered 1GR and pick up a few more MPG.

 

[TheLCProject]

The prototypes had the bigger diffs as far as I know.

This has been proven false and detailed here (New LC Differentials - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/new-lc-differentials.1328526/) like @Rednexus said. The prototypes did not in fact have the bigger diffs.

Photos of the prototype LCs clearly show a rear differential different from what is on the GX550, LX600, LC300, Tundra, Sequoia.

The differential/"heavy duty" horse has been beat dead in this thread. The consensus is that it has the same or slightly improved 8.2" diff as the current 5th gen 4Runner and GX460, while the GX550 and LC300/LX600/Sequoia have the same 9.5" diffs as the LC200.

The other available differentials are a bit more nuanced than just a 9.5" for the big boys. See below:

The hybrid Tundra (and maybe Sequoia) get the 10.7.
The gasser Tundra/Sequoia get the 9.7.
The J300, LX600?, most J252 (GX550) - likely all US models, and Trailhunter Tacoma all get the 9.5.
And then the LC250, some world market J252 (GX550), and the rest of the Tacomas get the 8.2.

 

[Rednexus]

The other available differentials are a bit more nuanced than just a 9.5" for the big boys. See below:

Thanks.

I still think it's crazy they have so many diff choices. Why not stick at the 9.5" and 10.5" only.

That being said I'm still saving for an 8.2 upgrade for my 470.

 

[Brown98LC]

The differential/"heavy duty" horse has been beat dead in this thread. The consensus is that it has the same or slightly improved 8.2" diff as the current 5th gen 4Runner and GX460, while the GX550 and LC300/LX600/Sequoia have the same 9.5" diffs as the LC200.

This kind of removed the LC250 from future consideration for me (though I have so much time and $$ invested in my GX470 that I intend to hold on to it for 5+ years anyway). I personally don't see the LC250 being a material improvement over the very proven GX460 (outside of fuel economy) while having less power and drivetrain robustness than a GX550. The GX550 is, on paper, is a pretty big improvement in capability over a GX460.

However I probably would pick a LC250 over a 5th gen 4Runner, just to avoid the under-powered 1GR and pick up a few more MPG.

the LC300/LX600 still have bigger front diffs than the LC200/GX550
front of LC300/LX is 8.9 and rear is 9.7

putting a 10.5 on the rear of a 300 doesn't necessarily make it better or putting a 9.7 vs a 9.5 on the 250 I think it depends on many factors including weight, size, and even the most tiny spec difference to pass certain regulations for certain things could affect all that.
The fact that a 8.7 front 9.5 rear is possible on a 250 but not available on the LC is annoying for sure though.

 

[Rednexus]

the LC300/LX600 still have bigger front diffs than the LC200/GX550
front of LC300/LX is 8.9 and rear is 9.7

putting a 10.5 on the rear of a 300 doesn't necessarily make it better or putting a 9.7 vs a 9.5 on the 250 I think it depends on many factors including weight, size, and even the most tiny spec difference to pass certain regulations for certain things could affect all that.
The fact that a 8.7 front 9.5 rear is possible on a 250 but not available on the LC is annoying for sure though.

I'm also looking at it in terms of parts confusion and aftermarket support 10-15 years for now. With so many different models many of the parts may be different as well. Aftermarket R&P availability will suffer as Yukon/Nitro etc will need to make 5 different R&P sets instead of two. AFB and Harrop will need to have 5 separate lockers.

We're already kind of stuck in that with the 8.2 - being Prado 150/5th gen T4R platform only - and just 4.56 and 4.88s available - relative to the 8" or 9.5" where you can get just about any ratio you want. 8.2 lockers are pricey as well.

 

[Phillyd2]

Less than .001% of potential buyers not only won't care but couldn't point out where either diff is or what it does.

 

[mkennedy009]

Isn't is why TMC has the 1958 edition? Base model to make it your own by putting on Tundra SA or Dana 60's. It seems quite silly and a waste of monies to mode out a LC when it is 6K more expensive. 6K can buy a lot of power train parts.

Wake up pony please, I want more...