4 banger LC, thoughts? (1 Viewer)

[Land Caesar]

I have no idea how much of the battery Toyota will let you use. But I think 60% is a good guess. Let's assume it's 1kwh that you're going to get before it idles to re-gen. It's roughly equivalent to one 100ah deep cycle battery. It's not a very big battery. But the ability to recharge it very efficiently is fantastic.

A heated blanket uses about 300 watts of energy to heat. If it is on a 30% duty cycle to keep warm, you'd use about 100 watts/hr on average. That would run the heated blanket for 10 hours between idle starts. Or - basically the entire night. I personally would not use a heated blanket. I'd use proper camping gear to stay warm - but I also grew up doing a lot of cold weather camping so I have sleeping bags good for tent camping in sub zero temps. I also don't think it's a very good idea to rely on a heated blanket because it exposes you to a lot of risk if any part of the system fails. If you break down with sleeping bags - you're not freezing at night. But if you wanted to - heated blanket is do-able. It would work.

For a 12v fridge/freezer - they typically draw an average over time of about 0.8 amps. Or roughly 10 watts. With that alone, the 1kwh battery would last 100 hours. My experience with my own fridge is that I'd get around 3 weeks on two deep cycle batteries in my off road camp trailer. So that sounds about right.

The ability to run a microwave or a coffee maker would be really amazing to me. Or to plug in to my travel trailer and run all the systems. It's such a great system for travel trailer style camping.

And the ability to keep the AC on is really great just for general use for anyone with dogs who goes to hot places. One of the best features of my offroad teardrop camper was the batter/solar powered AC unit. I could run about 1-1.5 hours of AC on full battery pack. That doesn't do much for people comfort, but it was a game changer for the dogs. When you're in Moab in August and it's 100* and you need to go shop for groceries or you want to go to dinner at a restaurant - the ability to put the dogs in a safe air conditioned camper for an hour was really useful. The LC should do that no problem. Even just for everyday use when you have a dog in the car anywhere hot. I've always wanted something like the Tesla pet mode. This should do that really well.

Imagine…

Roof top tent, Annex… And an enclosed igloo tent off back of the Cruiser rear hatch. The ones like Free spirit makes, so the heat and or Ac of vehicle goes into the tent … and the 2400 watt inverter running a Microwave to heat up soup and tea.

Now go to bed in 10Degree temps, with an awesome Sleeping bag (Cabelas magnum, I use) and an electric blanket inside of it… on low (works excellent). A small heater at bottom of annex to take the chill off as the heat goes up to the tent.

Just enough comfort for Overlanding….. and all being done by a Fuel efficient Overland Land Cruiser.

Honestly, that’s pretty freaking awesome.

Ps
Wait a second kids, I’ll get the icecream bars and ice for my Drink from the Arb Freezer… careful on the cloth seats though!

 

[Jetboy]

If it has the ability to run climate off the battery that would be really cool (literally).

But, I’m not exactly sure how that would work though, since the ac compressor is typically strapped to the engine and runs off the serpentine belt, and heater uses engine coolant. So if the engine isn’t running, all you would get is passive air from the blower ( better than nothing though). Do the Prius have an electric/auxiliary heater core? Is the ac compressor run on an electric motor? I know auxiliary heaters are not super uncommon, especially in diesel trucks, to help heat up the cab quickly, so that’s a possibility.

I don't know yet about the LC. But the Tundra hybrid has an electrically driven AC compressor. So you get full cooling function even without the engine running. I don't think the Tundra has a heat pump though, but I don't know for sure. With an electric heat pump - then you have full heat without needing the engine running also. I think the Prime PHEV models have heat pumps. But I don't think the Tundra hybrid does. So I wouldn't expect to have the heating work without the engine running.

You could possibly use the heated seats - but you'd have to sleep in the front seat.

 

[Rednexus]

Gx and a Trail Manor… was my plan.

Please post a photo.

I believe your idea with the 2400 watt 250 LC would be excellent

We defintiely get some interesting looks pulling a oddball camper with an oddball rig like a GX . The TM has been great, tows like a dream. 70 mph is no problems and I could tow faster if wanted. We've done 700 mile days in it.

LC250 power would be inadequate to run the AC, but would enough run the fridge (with propane as a primary power source) and forced air heat (propane as the source), plus lights, all evening. It would be perfect for cool-weather camping.

 

[Land Caesar]

We defintiely get some interesting looks pulling a oddball camper with an oddball rig like a GX . The TM has been great, tows like a dream. 70 mph is no problems and I could tow faster if wanted. We've done 700 mile days in it.

LC250 power would be inadequate to run the AC, but would enough run the fridge (with propane as a primary power source) and forced air heat (propane as the source), plus lights, all evening. It would be perfect for cool-weather camping.
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Nice man… I’ve looked into that camper.

Exceptional design. Low profile and light weight as well.

Ps, they make smaller portable ac units. I’m sure 2400 wats could run some led lights and a small ac

 

[subspd]

It dosnt work like that. As with my 2022 sienna, ac and heat run off Battery

Yep Prius works the same way. All accesories run off the electrical system.

The kicker is that you have to leave it "running" for the AC to work. Issue is the car won't let you lock the car from the outside with it "running". So you have to leave it unlocked. I really would like the peace of mind of being able to lock it and let the car 'run' with the AC on.

Even on a 2012 prius with just the AC running in the South FL heat the engine often won't kick on until about 30min has passed and it has a smaller battery than the LC has.

Can you lock the Sienna and let it run?

 

[on the rocks]

Imagine…

Roof top tent, Annex… And an enclosed igloo tent off back of the Cruiser rear hatch. The ones like Free spirit makes, so the heat and or Ac of vehicle goes into the tent … and the 2400 watt inverter running a Microwave to heat up soup and tea.

Now go to bed in 10Degree temps, with an awesome Sleeping bag (Cabelas magnum, I use) and an electric blanket inside of it… on low (works excellent). A small heater at bottom of annex to take the chill off as the heat goes up to the tent.

Just enough comfort for Overlanding….. and all being done by a Fuel efficient Overland Land Cruiser.

Honestly, that’s pretty freaking awesome.

Ps
Wait a second kids, I’ll get the icecream bars and ice for my Drink from the Arb Freezer… careful on the cloth seats though!

Then the whole family and dog never wake up the next morning because the LC starts and starts 20 times during the night because of overloading the inverter to too much crap and asphyxiates the entire family as it pumps exhaust directly into the tent...

It's great you have such big dreams of this system but not sure it will work exactly like your expecting. Your way better off running gear off DC and not converting to AC for the inverter. So much more efficient. I don't know the AH rating of that battery system but can't imagine it is rated to run accessories days on end, even for an hour without idle for that matter.

The inverter would not run a camper as they are a 30 amp input plug. If you were to leave it plugged in and expect to draw from the DC in the 250, you better upsize the wiring at minimum but I'm betting they have this thing set to turn down if it detects an extended draw or void the warranty if they find someone messes with the system to make it work.

I'm finding the 2000 watt inverter I put in my LC is a pretty big waste of $$ as far as overlanding go but I had plans on charging E-bikes and other things with a huge 200W solar panel and house battery on top of that. Maybe run small tools but even @ 2400 watts I don't think it will run as much AC appliances as you may think.

 

[Brown98LC]

I’d imagine that inverters part of a package. Yet if… standard equipment, that’s the cats meow.

I could live with out it… yet so nice to have.

Add a roof rack to that in a 1958, I’m good to go.

….With a set of new Tires

Ps
Seen the Prado in Australia with Diesel. Looks so similar to the 250 “Land Cruiser”.

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The Headlight shape is the same but the actual unit and internals are different.

The one below is the lowest specification.
It is different to the one above that is available on the "Land Cruiser" trim.

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All 3 Headlight types.

 

[Land Caesar]

Yep Prius works the same way. All accesories run off the electrical system.

The kicker is that you have to leave it "running" for the AC to work. Issue is the car won't let you lock the car from the outside with it "running". So you have to leave it unlocked. I really would like the peace of mind of being able to lock it and let the car 'run' with the AC on.

Even on a 2012 prius with just the AC running in the South FL heat the engine often won't kick on until about 30min has passed and it has a smaller battery than the LC has.

Can you lock the Sienna and let it run?

If you go on to you tube there is a way to lock it while it’s running

Just can’t remember how.

 

[Land Caesar]

Then the whole family and dog never wake up the next morning because the LC starts and starts 20 times during the night because of overloading the inverter to too much crap and asphyxiates the entire family as it pumps exhaust directly into the tent...

It's great you have such big dreams of this system but not sure it will work exactly like your expecting. Your way better off running gear off DC and not converting to AC for the inverter. So much more efficient. I don't know the AH rating of that battery system but can't imagine it is rated to run accessories days on end, even for an hour without idle for that matter.

The inverter would not run a camper as they are a 30 amp input plug. If you were to leave it plugged in and expect to draw from the DC in the 250, you better upsize the wiring at minimum but I'm betting they have this thing set to turn down if it detects an extended draw or void the warranty if they find someone messes with the system to make it work.

I'm finding the 2000 watt inverter I put in my LC is a pretty big waste of $$ as far as overlanding go but I had plans on charging E-bikes and other things with a huge 200W solar panel and house battery on top of that. Maybe run small tools but even @ 2400 watts I don't think it will run as much AC appliances as you may think.

Do you have a modern Toyota Hybrid?

A 2400 watt “Generator” is essentially an inverter power source. Why would you over load it by using it?

If you don’t have a Hybrid Toyota…do a bit of research… read some forums, look at some you tube videos.

Then come back here, respond with actual knowledge on the subject.

I own a modern day Toyota Hybrid.

My “Big Dreams” are not part of an idea that will cause Co2 emissions into a tent that I’m in. Yet thank you for implying that I would.

Perhaps look at the Tail pipe of the 250 it’s set far enough away from rear hatch (A metal dryer tube can redirect exhaust to the side if needed), then look at the design of the Free spirit Rear tent for Suv’s

I’m not argumentative on this… yet realistic with accurate ideas for utilization of a 2400 watt inverter.

Ps,
You can run the Vehicle for 8 hrs using the Sustainable power from the battery becouse the engine intermittently starts and stops…………..

Similar to a Prius cab driving thru the city for 8 hrs.

 

[Land Caesar]

The Headlight shape is the same but the actual unit and internals are different.

The one below is the lowest specification.
It is different to the one above that is available on the "Land Cruiser" trim.

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All 3 Headlight types.
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The entire vehicle in Australia… is considered a Prado. I was joking that we have a “Land Cruiser” even though they are the same design with minor differences

 

[Rednexus]

Then the whole family and dog never wake up the next morning because the LC starts and starts 20 times during the night because of overloading the inverter to too much crap and asphyxiates the entire family as it pumps exhaust directly into the tent...

It's great you have such big dreams of this system but not sure it will work exactly like your expecting. Your way better off running gear off DC and not converting to AC for the inverter. So much more efficient. I don't know the AH rating of that battery system but can't imagine it is rated to run accessories days on end, even for an hour without idle for that matter.

The inverter would not run a camper as they are a 30 amp input plug. If you were to leave it plugged in and expect to draw from the DC in the 250, you better upsize the wiring at minimum but I'm betting they have this thing set to turn down if it detects an extended draw or void the warranty if they find someone messes with the system to make it work.

I'm finding the 2000 watt inverter I put in my LC is a pretty big waste of $$ as far as overlanding go but I had plans on charging E-bikes and other things with a huge 200W solar panel and house battery on top of that. Maybe run small tools but even @ 2400 watts I don't think it will run as much AC appliances as you may think.

Specifically for camper use, as long as you don't run the AC you do not need 30 amps. Our camper is plugged into a 20 amp outlet right now - everything works (albeit I am not turning on the AC), and it has the battery anyway which powers everything on 12 volts without an issue.

CO poisonings is always a concern with any internal combustion engine operated near a sleeping/living space, although I don't see a LC250 being any more of a risk than a generator, and if anything probably less of a risk if parked and ventilated correctly.

I personally tent camp as well (as well as backpack and bikepack) and have never had a need for power beyond charging phones and flashlights when camping. We have a camper for that.

 

[Brown98LC]

The entire vehicle in Australia… is considered a Prado. I was joking that we have a “Land Cruiser” even though they are the same design with minor differences

I had wished they would have gotten rid of the Prado name for this generation.

The differentiation is enough now that no one is going to be confusing this with a 300 in any market where they are sold together.


They got rid of it in the Japanese market but the Prado name will remain in select European countries and Australia/Middle East and some other areas.

 

[Land Caesar]

Specifically for camper use, as long as you don't run the AC you do not need 30 amps. Our camper is plugged into a 20 amp outlet right now - everything works (albeit I am not turning on the AC), and it has the battery anyway which powers everything on 12 volts without an issue.

CO poisonings is always a concern with any internal combustion engine operated near a sleeping/living space, although I don't see a LC250 being any more of a risk than a generator, and if anything probably less of a risk if parked and ventilated correctly.

I personally tent camp as well (as well as backpack and bikepack) and have never had a need for power beyond charging phones and flashlights when camping. We have a camper for that.

So here are some photos

Yes Id prefer a camper

Yet like many… A Rtt with annex, and a Awning enclosure is convenient to have on the trail or whenever.

A little heat and Ac is pretty cool.

Obviously………… Co2 is top priority above all else and a Co2 sensor would be used.

Redirect the exhaust away from the Rear tent… of course.

If safe… this is a neat option

 

[on the rocks]

Then come back here, respond with actual knowledge on the subject.

This exhaust dumping into your tent at night or during the day will kill off your family....

I have been camping out of the back of the Cruiser in this fashion for over 20 years. I would say I have some knowledge on this subject. Your not inventing the concept. Neither of my setups enclose the exhaust to further direct the exhaust into your tent. Any amount of engine on time will spew tons of CO2 into your tent... the first one is higher up and a stand alone, the second tunnels the hatch tent into the cube exactly like the one you post. Both suck stopping CO2 dumping inside for even 5 seconds of engine run time.

Your right on the Toyota Hybrid, zero experience on this but I have camped all my life and experimented with Inverters for a long time. They just draw too much power to run constantly and a 2400 watt isn't as big as many may think it is. It makes zero sense to plan a base camp around an inverter, especially if it will intermittently start to charge the system. I do have a DC/ AC fridge and anyone with one knows not to run it off the inverter. Again, a conversion inefficiency thing. Run it direct of DC. My Dometic pulls 3 amps max DC. AC will pull much more, so again, unless you forget your DC cord at home, zero need for an inverter..
Run DC, solar and anything else but relying on a $55K ice motor, especially with a turbo, as a generator all weekend IMO. These vehicles will log engine idle time and anyone with common sense when buying a newer hybrid vehicle will check this. I'm thinking if this is your thing it may be much cheaper overall to just get a generator.
Have at it, just voicing my opinion the inverter/ hybrid system seems to have some cool possibilities, I would just research it first. At this time no-one knows how Toyota will let you run this system in the upcoming 250 LC, but I'm betting they restrict it more than you may think.
Not tying to rain on your parade, just saying you may want to research that dream before throwing down the $$$.

Specifically for camper use, as long as you don't run the AC you do not need 30 amps. Our camper is plugged into a 20 amp outlet right now - everything works (albeit I am not turning on the AC), and it has the battery anyway which powers everything on 12 volts without an issue.

CO poisonings is always a concern with any internal combustion engine operated near a sleeping/living space, although I don't see a LC250 being any more of a risk than a generator, and if anything probably less of a risk if parked and ventilated correctly.

I personally tent camp as well (as well as backpack and bikepack) and have never had a need for power beyond charging phones and flashlights when camping. We have a camper for that.

Correct, my thought was to use the inverter to run the AC and microwave in a camper. Not going to happen. A 110 plug conversion will run DC the camper but your also running voltage through an inverter then converting it back to dc costing more power to convert, making the concept extremely inefficient and it will cost more amps just to get the DC to your Camper DC plugs and lighting than it will take to run a DC accessory. Possible, yes but not the best approach for a camping setup.
If the system would let you do it, your better off running a large +/- feed to the LC Hybrid battery separate at least 2AWG(minimum) and it may be a good idea. The vehicle tow plug isn't going to transfer the power to the camper very well and your going to burn up small wires in the 7 pin plug or blow fuses if your lucky. Again, I bet Toyota has thought of this and if your battery dies and you go in for warranty replacement, my bet is your screwed getting them to replace it. I do like this idea and would try it if it didn't void any warranty's without a doubt.

100% on the CO2, unless your taking a 10' emissions tube to slap on the exhaust , then hope it doesn't heat up and catch your tent on fire, you camp will be smelly and suck.

Also agree on the last comment and why I said I regret adding an inverter and not using the $$ elsewhere. They are mostly hype IMO, but as also mentioned I plan on hoping to have the ability to charge a E-bike or may just rip it out and move it to the next camper setup. I have yet to see a good use of one for operating a camp. Back up, yes, emergency's sure, plan around a entire campsite setup, no thanks...

I think the idea is cool to utilize the hybrid system for camping but personally would approach it as using the hybrid battery as a house battery system not something to run your OEM inverter for several days on end.

 

[Land Caesar]

This exhaust dumping into your tent at night or during the day will kill off your family....
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I have been camping out of the back of the Cruiser in this fashion for over 20 years. I would say I have some knowledge on this subject. Your not inventing the concept. Neither of my setups enclose the exhaust to further direct the exhaust into your tent. Any amount of engine on time will spew tons of CO2 into your tent... the first one is higher up and a stand alone, the second tunnels the hatch tent into the cube exactly like the one you post. Both suck stopping CO2 dumping inside for even 5 seconds of engine run time.
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Your right on the Toyota Hybrid, zero experience on this but I have camped all my life and experimented with Inverters for a long time. They just draw too much power to run constantly and a 2400 watt isn't as big as many may think it is. It makes zero sense to plan a base camp around an inverter, especially if it will intermittently start to charge the system. I do have a DC/ AC fridge and anyone with one knows not to run it off the inverter. Again, a conversion inefficiency thing. Run it direct of DC. My Dometic pulls 3 amps max DC. AC will pull much more, so again, unless you forget your DC cord at home, zero need for an inverter..
Run DC, solar and anything else but relying on a $55K ice motor, especially with a turbo, as a generator all weekend IMO. These vehicles will log engine idle time and anyone with common sense when buying a newer hybrid vehicle will check this. I'm thinking if this is your thing it may be much cheaper overall to just get a generator.
Have at it, just voicing my opinion the inverter/ hybrid system seems to have some cool possibilities, I would just research it first. At this time no-one knows how Toyota will let you run this system in the upcoming 250 LC, but I'm betting they restrict it more than you may think.
Not tying to rain on your parade, just saying you may want to research that dream before throwing down the $$$.

Correct, my thought was to use the inverter to run the AC and microwave in a camper. Not going to happen. A 110 plug conversion will run DC the camper but your also running voltage through an inverter then converting it back to dc costing more power to convert, making the concept extremely inefficient and it will cost more amps just to get the DC to your Camper DC plugs and lighting than it will take to run a DC accessory. Possible, yes but not the best approach for a camping setup.
If the system would let you do it, your better off running a large +/- feed to the LC Hybrid battery separate at least 2AWG(minimum) and it may be a good idea. The vehicle tow plug isn't going to transfer the power to the camper very well and your going to burn up small wires in the 7 pin plug or blow fuses if your lucky. Again, I bet Toyota has thought of this and if your battery dies and you go in for warranty replacement, my bet is your screwed getting them to replace it. I do like this idea and would try it if it didn't void any warranty's without a doubt.

100% on the CO2, unless your taking a 10' emissions tube to slap on the exhaust , then hope it doesn't heat up and catch your tent on fire, you camp will be smelly and suck.

Also agree on the last comment and why I said I regret adding an inverter and not using the $$ elsewhere. They are mostly hype IMO, but as also mentioned I plan on hoping to have the ability to charge a E-bike or may just rip it out and move it to the next camper setup. I have yet to see a good use of one for operating a camp. Back up, yes, emergency's sure, plan around a entire campsite setup, no thanks...

I think the idea is cool to utilize the hybrid system for camping but personally would approach it as using the hybrid battery as a house battery system not something to run your OEM inverter for several days on end.

Use of the 2400 watts is use of 2400 watts.

Use a Honda 2200 Generator… ok

Or… use the Inverter of the 250 Landcruiser.

I’ve gone camping as well…. A few times.

Don’t need much, yet a little power.

Obviously……. I wouldn’t use the rear tend if Co2 is anywhere near my rear tent.

Not to difficult to make a Triple wall pipe exhaust redirect away from the Tent, also the Hybrid only runs for like 1 min to recharge… 3 times per hour genius . If you had a Toyota Hybrid you would know that.

Use a Co2 sensor in tent!

If that dosnt work… awning Off the side with an enclosure room. And a little heater.

Not sure why this is so Challenging to you.

2400 watt inverter power, Is plenty.

Just enough power.

Ps..

No, I wouldn’t Do anything that would melt my tent, give off C02 in my tent… or Burn me alive in my sleeping bag. I was born at night, not last night Fella.

 

[M1911]

I think the 4runner, taco and this all have the same basic drivetrain and frame, so rear axle, transmission and the TRD Pro will will have this engine. Even the limited Taco has the same transfer case as this one. (full time)

It's the same platform, not the exact same frame. The platform is shared with Tundra and Land Cruiser 300. So the frame length is different for different vehicles (Tundra has much longer wheelbase than 300). Also they have said that the frame thickness can be adjusted for different vehicles. I expect that track width can also be adjusted.

 

[OldCarSmell]

I don’t know about anyone else, but all this 250 talk and the advances the hybrid powertrain will facilitate just makes me want to wait a bit longer for the tech to evolve and deliver me a really solid 400 Series. I looked at several GXs before I bought my 200, wanted more room and refinement at the end of the day. Before the 200 I had an LR3. Another biggun. As the saying goes, Go Big or Stay Home

 

[elbarto]

The Headlight shape is the same but the actual unit and internals are different.

The one below is the lowest specification.
It is different to the one above that is available on the "Land Cruiser" trim.

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All 3 Headlight types.
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Where’s this image from? I guess the US only gets the round projector and the rectangle projector, not the rectangle reflector

 

[on the rocks]

No, I wouldn’t Do anything that would melt my tent, give off C02 in my tent… or Burn me alive in my sleeping bag. I was born at night, not last night Fella.

Go back to the original post you sent that I commented on. You do you and live your dream and even start a thread and when you kill off your family when you run your camp off a CO2 generator that runs your 250 inverter that dumps exhaust directly into your tent. we'll be the judge of this last comment. I'm pretty sure it will be the latter. Especially if you need a CO2 sensor in your tent to tell you this will kill you, at minimum everything you own will smell like exhaust forever.
None of your last post is relevant to your original post. Good for you ,you have a 100 series, a generator and a RTT.
I would stick to it, or your going to have a ridiculous setup and kill off your family with what you keep trying to pitch.
And at this point I have as much experience with a 2024 hybrid 250 LC, A big fat 0%. Good for you and your Sienna, At this point, unless you have an in at the Toyota engineering division, I'm pretty sure it's irrelevant at this point as far as what they will offer on the 250 and how it will apply to this conversation.

 

[Romer]

ok, you both have made your position known and frankly on the rocks has your best interest at heart. That isn't anything to take a chance on

Now back to the 250 4TT discussion