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That new 250 LC is definitely got a lot more to offer than my 2022 Sienna
That new 250 LC is definitely got a lot more to offer than my 2022 Sienna
4 banger LC, thoughts? (1 Viewer)
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I’d imagine that inverters part of a package. Yet if… standard equipment, that’s the cats meow.
I could live with out it… yet so nice to have.
Add a roof rack to that in a 1958, I’m good to go.
….With a set of new Tires
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Seen the Prado in Australia with Diesel. Looks so similar to the 250 “Land Cruiser”.
I'm in on the T4 with the caveat and it's a big caveat - that it gets 25+ mpg. Historically the small Toyota engines barely beat and sometimes didn't even match the real world mpg of the v8s. The 5th gen 4Runner was always so frustrating that it wasn't offered with a bigger engine. The v6 with the 5AT was marginal - it worked, but was short on both transmission gear choices and power a lot of the time. It would have been a lot more likeable if it got 27mpg. The 4cyl for me is compelling largely because of the promise of significant efficiency gains. It should be an improvement over the 1GR, but maybe not a huge change given the bigger vehicle. And I'd happily accept it for the 27mpg.
If it only gets around 20 mpg while the Sequoia is at 20 with over 100hp more - then it's not good enough. It really all depends on the efficiency. It needs to be significantly better than the TTv6.
If it only gets around 20 mpg while the Sequoia is at 20 with over 100hp more - then it's not good enough. It really all depends on the efficiency. It needs to be significantly better than the TTv6.
I’m also very intrigued by this vehicle for that very reason.
I’m sure someone will offer an extended range larger fuel tank for it, just cuz.
Now think about that rig outfitted with just enough tire/lift/Jerry cans and other goody overland items reaching 650 miles before fueling up
That would be a awesome Overland vehicle.
It checks many boxs.
Suv attributes with…. Decent fuel economy and enough power to accomplish the needed goals.
Yet if it’s like 19 or 20 mpg ,I’m not sure I’ll pony up the bucks for that when there are plenty of other choices for less cost.
It’s worth it in the long run, as I’d keep the vehicle for well over a decade most certainly.
Better mpg over a Tundra or Gx 460
Watching a video I see a review of the 1958 base model… it indeed does have as standard equipment… The Ac 2400 inverter
That’s a prototype and could be only with a package.
Yet… the video was about the base model so hopefully it’s included.
Now… about that roof rack !
That’s a prototype and could be only with a package.
Yet… the video was about the base model so hopefully it’s included.
Now… about that roof rack !
That is simply awesome.
Likely as with other Toyota Hybrids,It’s been stated before… the Vehicle intermittently runs engine to charge battery when needed and then shuts off. It can do this all night.
Ac or Heat… heated blankets …. Can run the entire night while camping.
Arb Fridge readily available along with a small microwave would be spectacular on a slide out. Instant kitchen plugged in availability On tap.
That’s just a great extra to have
That would be awesome but let’s look at numbers and imagine how it plays out. The draw from a heated blanket, and any subsequent middle of the night engine idling to recharge the batteries, will pale in comparison to the draw from most fridges. Will your engine be running half the night? Starting and stopping every 20 minutes? I don’t have the knowledge to do the calculations but I expect someone here does. I certainly hope it’s a real possibility too, but heated blankets and an ARB fridge is not even remotely an apples to apples comparison.
The Sienna hybrid I have, has been used and Tested for overnight Heat and Ac throughout the night. Approximately 1.5 gal of gas is used for 8 hrs.YouTube videos have this information.
The Vehicle has a ability to be selected to turn off at 1 hr or a selection of continued use is available on dash read out.
When the battery is depleted to a certain level, it requires a short idle from engine to regenerate power to the battery. This happens only a few times per hour. Not silent yet certainly not loud.
I’ve used my Honda 2000 watt Generator to power a heated mattress cover and a small heater for Winter camping. A small Ac unit is possible.
The inverter of the LC 2400 should be sufficient amount of power for this same application plus run and cool a Arb fridge (Power selective) intermittently through the evening, if not opened.
Roof top tent with annex… Cooled or heated. Maybe a Arb Awning enclosure.
Most Kids and most Wives like Heat and Ac
This all is speculative , yet realistic.
The Vehicle has a ability to be selected to turn off at 1 hr or a selection of continued use is available on dash read out.
When the battery is depleted to a certain level, it requires a short idle from engine to regenerate power to the battery. This happens only a few times per hour. Not silent yet certainly not loud.
I’ve used my Honda 2000 watt Generator to power a heated mattress cover and a small heater for Winter camping. A small Ac unit is possible.
The inverter of the LC 2400 should be sufficient amount of power for this same application plus run and cool a Arb fridge (Power selective) intermittently through the evening, if not opened.
Roof top tent with annex… Cooled or heated. Maybe a Arb Awning enclosure.
Most Kids and most Wives like Heat and Ac
This all is speculative , yet realistic.
I'm more excited about the potential of using it for boondocking with a camper. With SOOOO many people having bought campers over the past few years, it's very difficult to find electric campsites. Even around here in MO we have to book the good campground months out. But, there are usually lots of free non-electric sites for <$20/night.
Using a "normal" generator (say a 2,000 watt Honda) requires that your drag it with you, bring liquid fuel, set it outside, etc. Having the vehicle act as a generator would be so much easier and safer, as well as less annoying than even a quiet Honda small generator running all night. Sure solar and lithium batteries are an option, but they are $$$$$$.
Couple that with a flat torque curve and electric assist of a turbo 4 and the LC250 could be a very good vehicle for pulling a camp trailer (like our TrailManor) and potentially a better rig for that purpose than my GX.
Using a "normal" generator (say a 2,000 watt Honda) requires that your drag it with you, bring liquid fuel, set it outside, etc. Having the vehicle act as a generator would be so much easier and safer, as well as less annoying than even a quiet Honda small generator running all night. Sure solar and lithium batteries are an option, but they are $$$$$$.
Couple that with a flat torque curve and electric assist of a turbo 4 and the LC250 could be a very good vehicle for pulling a camp trailer (like our TrailManor) and potentially a better rig for that purpose than my GX.
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Since they now share the same platform, is there a difference?
Isn't the whole point of the common platform to reduce the number of different parts?
EDIT: I'm blind, second comment deleted.
I’d hope there is a difference.
Size wise certainly… yet I’d imagine components (Axles for example) are more robust with the Land Cruiser than the 4Funners.
I think the 4runner, taco and this all have the same basic drivetrain and frame, so rear axle, transmission and the TRD Pro will will have this engine. Even the limited Taco has the same transfer case as this one. (full time)
We start talking 4runner and I know people disagree with me but I REALLY think it will have a removable top, look like the taco and carry the part time 4wd and non hybrid 4cyl of the taco. But again transmission, frame and rear axle will all be shared.
Toyota knows how to swap things around just enough to make them different.
Gx and a Trail Manor… was my plan.
Please post a photo.
I believe your idea with the 2400 watt 250 LC would be excellent
Yeah I think they will offer a Convertible…. To compete with other companies.
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Quit teasing guys!
I really hope so but I'm not holding my breath. My 1st gen 4Runner has contined to be my favorite Toy. Wish I hadn't sold it.
I have no idea how much of the battery Toyota will let you use. But I think 60% is a good guess. Let's assume it's 1kwh that you're going to get before it idles to re-gen. It's roughly equivalent to one 100ah deep cycle battery. It's not a very big battery. But the ability to recharge it very efficiently is fantastic.
A heated blanket uses about 300 watts of energy to heat. If it is on a 30% duty cycle to keep warm, you'd use about 100 watts/hr on average. That would run the heated blanket for 10 hours between idle starts. Or - basically the entire night. I personally would not use a heated blanket. I'd use proper camping gear to stay warm - but I also grew up doing a lot of cold weather camping so I have sleeping bags good for tent camping in sub zero temps. I also don't think it's a very good idea to rely on a heated blanket because it exposes you to a lot of risk if any part of the system fails. If you break down with sleeping bags - you're not freezing at night. But if you wanted to - heated blanket is do-able. It would work.
For a 12v fridge/freezer - they typically draw an average over time of about 0.8 amps. Or roughly 10 watts. With that alone, the 1kwh battery would last 100 hours. My experience with my own fridge is that I'd get around 3 weeks on two deep cycle batteries in my off road camp trailer. So that sounds about right.
The ability to run a microwave or a coffee maker would be really amazing to me. Or to plug in to my travel trailer and run all the systems. It's such a great system for travel trailer style camping.
And the ability to keep the AC on is really great just for general use for anyone with dogs who goes to hot places. One of the best features of my offroad teardrop camper was the batter/solar powered AC unit. I could run about 1-1.5 hours of AC on full battery pack. That doesn't do much for people comfort, but it was a game changer for the dogs. When you're in Moab in August and it's 100* and you need to go shop for groceries or you want to go to dinner at a restaurant - the ability to put the dogs in a safe air conditioned camper for an hour was really useful. The LC should do that no problem. Even just for everyday use when you have a dog in the car anywhere hot. I've always wanted something like the Tesla pet mode. This should do that really well.
A heated blanket uses about 300 watts of energy to heat. If it is on a 30% duty cycle to keep warm, you'd use about 100 watts/hr on average. That would run the heated blanket for 10 hours between idle starts. Or - basically the entire night. I personally would not use a heated blanket. I'd use proper camping gear to stay warm - but I also grew up doing a lot of cold weather camping so I have sleeping bags good for tent camping in sub zero temps. I also don't think it's a very good idea to rely on a heated blanket because it exposes you to a lot of risk if any part of the system fails. If you break down with sleeping bags - you're not freezing at night. But if you wanted to - heated blanket is do-able. It would work.
For a 12v fridge/freezer - they typically draw an average over time of about 0.8 amps. Or roughly 10 watts. With that alone, the 1kwh battery would last 100 hours. My experience with my own fridge is that I'd get around 3 weeks on two deep cycle batteries in my off road camp trailer. So that sounds about right.
The ability to run a microwave or a coffee maker would be really amazing to me. Or to plug in to my travel trailer and run all the systems. It's such a great system for travel trailer style camping.
And the ability to keep the AC on is really great just for general use for anyone with dogs who goes to hot places. One of the best features of my offroad teardrop camper was the batter/solar powered AC unit. I could run about 1-1.5 hours of AC on full battery pack. That doesn't do much for people comfort, but it was a game changer for the dogs. When you're in Moab in August and it's 100* and you need to go shop for groceries or you want to go to dinner at a restaurant - the ability to put the dogs in a safe air conditioned camper for an hour was really useful. The LC should do that no problem. Even just for everyday use when you have a dog in the car anywhere hot. I've always wanted something like the Tesla pet mode. This should do that really well.
If it has the ability to run climate off the battery that would be really cool (literally).
But, I’m not exactly sure how that would work though, since the ac compressor is typically strapped to the engine and runs off the serpentine belt, and heater uses engine coolant. So if the engine isn’t running, all you would get is passive air from the blower ( better than nothing though). Do the Prius have an electric/auxiliary heater core? Is the ac compressor run on an electric motor? I know auxiliary heaters are not super uncommon, especially in diesel trucks, to help heat up the cab quickly, so that’s a possibility.
But, I’m not exactly sure how that would work though, since the ac compressor is typically strapped to the engine and runs off the serpentine belt, and heater uses engine coolant. So if the engine isn’t running, all you would get is passive air from the blower ( better than nothing though). Do the Prius have an electric/auxiliary heater core? Is the ac compressor run on an electric motor? I know auxiliary heaters are not super uncommon, especially in diesel trucks, to help heat up the cab quickly, so that’s a possibility.
It dosnt work like that. As with my 2022 sienna, ac and heat run off Battery
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