that's true for example the unpainted mid/base grade LC100 bumpers are different to the ones that are supposed to be painted.
4 banger LC, thoughts?
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Anyone else think the base model with 31” road tires looks like it’s designed to both titillate the LC enthusiast AND compete with the crowds buying Ford’s Bronco Sport??
No to the second part. I don’t think many people are going to be cross shopping a 250 and a BS.
My SO has a BS, it replaced her 2nd Gen Ford Escape, they are basically the same vehicle. BS is much smaller than the 250. 105” wheelbase vs 112”, 20” shorter overall, unibody vs BOF, turbo-3 in most turbo-4 in top trim, top trim with all packages is $45k base starts at $31k vs mid-50k base.
It’s competing more with Subaru Outback/Forester, Rav4
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a fine car. AWD, rugged/outdoorsy styling, decent amount of interior volume for gear, enough power to get up the highway, and fuel efficient (less so than I was expecting though).
Looks like I might need to get rid of my 2013 sooner rather than later. My mechanic just told me that the undercarriage is rusting bad and I should consider getting rid of it. Sigh. Only 95k miles.
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Certainly
Those street tires are a joke, almost embarrassing.
My guess is two things.
- They did everything they could to hit the lowest price point.
- They figure many will get new tire and mod soon after anyway.
Those tires are exactly what made me think of the Bronco Sport. Seems like you can hit both markets with them: the on road SUV contingent and the folks that are going to take them off right away. It really is reminiscent of the BS with those dinky little tires and it’s totally going to compete with the Outback/Forrester crowd, especially the Wilderness badging.
Too late, damage already done.
They put the same tires on basically everything. Even the LC70. I always figured they must be popular in some market. Not sure where that would be though. If it were just for EPA benefits of low rolling resistance they probably wouldn't be putting them on vehicles that aren't even sold in the markets where it matters. On the Tundra you can get OEM Michelin AT/2 that are pretty decent. Why not those as an OEM tire for the LC?
Long term supplier agreements coupled with cost per unit.
Price
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Not in the case of the LC.
The two models at the reveal had two different sets of tires that they were said to come with. The "1958" had those small "street" looking tires and the "Land Cruiser" had "all season" (IIRC) that were larger.
It was also mentioned that the "First Edition" would have different tires again.
Two completely different vehicles. One is unibody, one is a body-on-frame.
One "looks" like an off-roader, one actually is.
I see why that distinction is meaningful to us, and I could see why Toyota would design something that appeals to us and those who don’t know a thing about body on frame. Two birds one stone.
I’m more interested in the components of the 250
Will they be Land Cruiser only or… tacoma/4Runners parts on this 112” body?
Will they be Land Cruiser only or… tacoma/4Runners parts on this 112” body?
Ps
May be a while longer before 250 is on the road!
May be a while longer before 250 is on the road!
So this thread is about the 4cyl hybrid.
Tell me…. I know many say, That a optional 6cyl should be available.
Yet what’s the overall consensus on what Toyota did do????!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you all think about the only engine option being a 4cyl Hybrid?
Personally, I see they have transitioning going on with the Lexus being the premium vehicles in Usa.
I ,like many was shocked at the fact It’s a “4Cyl”! Only. I abandoned the idea.
Then… about a week later I looked at the numbers, The design And the Size.
My opinion changed to … “Ok, I can see the benefits”.
The more I looked into the idea, the more I can appreciate the Vehicle.
It’s a Excellent choice for a Overlander rig.
Depending on the real world fuel economy, I will be considering the 1958 base. Yet a Tundra and Gx460 with a new 4runner are other options.
I’m a Land Cruiser guy… so it may actually be a realistic vehicle for me next year. Spoke to my Dealership already.
Just wished a 2400 inverter was standard equipment. Oh and a roof rack is available.
Tell me…. I know many say, That a optional 6cyl should be available.
Yet what’s the overall consensus on what Toyota did do????!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you all think about the only engine option being a 4cyl Hybrid?
Personally, I see they have transitioning going on with the Lexus being the premium vehicles in Usa.
I ,like many was shocked at the fact It’s a “4Cyl”! Only. I abandoned the idea.
Then… about a week later I looked at the numbers, The design And the Size.
My opinion changed to … “Ok, I can see the benefits”.
The more I looked into the idea, the more I can appreciate the Vehicle.
It’s a Excellent choice for a Overlander rig.
Depending on the real world fuel economy, I will be considering the 1958 base. Yet a Tundra and Gx460 with a new 4runner are other options.
I’m a Land Cruiser guy… so it may actually be a realistic vehicle for me next year. Spoke to my Dealership already.
Just wished a 2400 inverter was standard equipment. Oh and a roof rack is available.
All the manufacturers put a low quality tire on with super soft tread. It’s a thing, they can buy a cheap specification (buy thousands and thousands) to get them through warranty, make a few extra bucks, and so on. Plus they ride real nice for the test drive. You’re gonna be fortunate to get 40k out of them if not much less.
I’m 100% in on the turbo 4. I like V8s, I own a V8, but I also don’t like spending money on gas. The possibility of having pretty long range (large-ish tank + decent fuel economy) is very appealing. Plus turbos have the massive power loss at altitude. I4s are small and simple from a packaging perspective, which is a plus, compared to V-turbo engines which have more piping and hoses than a fire truck. It’s all wins in my opinion.
My understanding is the 2400W Inverter IS standard (it’s leveraging the large battery pack)
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