4 banger LC, thoughts? (4 Viewers)

[Docyota]

I love the prospect of all of this. I've been working towards an "electric" camping kit and this could make it happen without portable solar or having to lug a separate generator.


However I too am concerned with CO exposure. I'd employ a secondary battery pack to get me through the night before I'd let an internal combustion engine run right by me. I'd run the engine during the day to charge up everything.

The times I've had a generator camping, I keep it well away from the living/sleeping area. I wouldn't trust it right next to my truck even if I was up in a RTT. There's been plenty of examples of people dying in their cars who kept them running to keep the heat on when stuck in the snow. If the outside air is still, the exhaust gases can stick around the vehicle.

CO is nothing to mess with. And for clarification, it's "CO" (carbon monoxide) not "CO2" (carbon dioxide). Carbon dioxide can displace oxygen but is otherwise harmless. Carbon monoxide on the other hand is poisonous. It's an unstable molecule that wants to be stable and so "steals" oxygen. One breathes that in and it literally takes the oxygen right out of your blood and cells. It has a cumulative effect too, can build up over days or weeks (depending on exposure). So while with 1-2 nights of exposure one might be OK, after the next night one might never wake up again.

Honestly if I were Toyota the prospect of camping in/on/around the truck would make me not want to enable the auto-generator function. Sooner or later someone will put a tent right next to a truck and off themselves. In the litigious US I'd be afraid, very afraid.

Physiology clarification: carbon monoxide isn't hyper-reactive (you're probably thinking of ozone, "O3"). CO actually binds to hemoglobin (red blood cell protein that makes blood red) almost irreversibly, eliminating the "shelf" where oxygen usually sits, and so you have a patient with normal appearance (red lips, pink toes, fingers, etc.) because the blood appears saturated but isn't actually delivering oxygen anywhere due to the CO binding. That leads to anaerobic metabolism, lactic acid production, and electrolyte disturbances which lead to cardiac arrhythmias and cell death which is how people usually die of CO poisoning.

And carbon dioxide is <0.05% of the air, it doesn't really displace oxygen in any meaningful way. And it's absorbed super quickly in the body, and is converted to bicarbonate and excreted by the kidneys if there is an imbalance.

 

[Land Caesar]

Physiology clarification: carbon monoxide isn't hyper-reactive (you're probably thinking of ozone, "O3"). CO actually binds to hemoglobin (red blood cell protein that makes blood red) almost irreversibly, eliminating the "shelf" where oxygen usually sits, and so you have a patient with normal appearance (red lips, pink toes, fingers, etc.) because the blood appears saturated but isn't actually delivering oxygen anywhere due to the CO binding. That leads to anaerobic metabolism, lactic acid production, and electrolyte disturbances which lead to cardiac arrhythmias and cell death which is how people usually die of CO poisoning.

And carbon dioxide is <0.05% of the air, it doesn't really displace oxygen in any meaningful way. And it's absorbed super quickly in the body, and is converted to bicarbonate and excreted by the kidneys if there is an imbalance.

Would that happen from an exhaust running for 1.3 minutes… 3-4 times a hour… in an open air environment, while you are in a Raised Roof Tent or a side awning enclosure using a carbon dioxide detector?

I highly doubt that it would. Yet that Carbon Dioxide detection,would certainly inform you of any potential threat
in the area you are in.

Consistent multiple days of that… perhaps the body would absorb a decent amount, yet not 8hrs like most overland trail camping happens




Regardless, use the Inverter of the hybrid system with caution, just like the rest of the vehicle.

 

[OldCarSmell]

Please, show us evidence that suggests that Toyota engineers would build a Land Cruiser, or a hybrid, or a hybrid Land Cruiser, that isn't extremely reliable.

I’m not expecting Toyota to poo the bed with the 250/550, but for the sake of argument, the past isn’t always the best gauge to predict the future. Empires do indeed fall and humans make mistakes. And that’s why I think it’s always wise to wait at least until model year two.

 

[MeWantLC]

I see a lot talk about better mileage... And IMHO, that is NOT the main driver for the shift in engines / set ups in the USA , it is the emissions standards we now have here.

I agree with above, ever empire falls and we all make mistakes. . I wish I could wait. But I can't. I will still get a new LC250 IF they don't f*** stupidly market it above MRSP , that's my limit, I won't pay a dime above MRSP. I wish I could say I'd wait for the possible issues to be resolved in the first years, but after keep seeing Broncos and Jeeps all around town with more modern tech, I won't wait and will get the LC250 provided the above statement is true. I already asked for the best person I know to buy extended warranty for an estimate on the LC250, and I will get the 10 years / 125k mileage zero deductible Toyota warranty.

I did a dumb calculation, for the next 30 years of driving which should be covered by my next and last vehicle: LC250 vs LC200, it is +$60k more just in gas with the lovely V8... So yeah, I will buy the LC250 and trust Toyota.

(PS: I am this close to get a Highlander hybrid, dump a set of AT's, and call it a day. ).

 

[jayp2]

Couldn’t disagree more. People don’t want to pay 10% interest on loans. People will buy what makes sense to them and what their finances can bear. Maybe you don’t want an EV. And if that’s the case, don’t get one. There’s 100% a market for full size SUVs and trucks that are hybrid or electric. And just like everything else you and I have ever put out hands on, it was new at some point and the more it’s around the more familiar people will get and the more their resistance will lessen. Maybe not you, but generally speaking, yes. It’s happening already and it isn’t going to stop and it shouldn’t.

If the demand was there then the fed gov wouldnt have been offering taxpayer funded subsidies for the last decade plus

If the demand was there then Ford wouldnt be 3 billion in the hole

If the demand was there then there wouldnt be excess inventory on lots that far exceed internal combustion engine vehicles.

 

[Land Caesar]

I see a lot talk about better mileage... And IMHO, that is NOT the main driver for the shift in engines / set ups in the USA , it is the emissions standards we now have here.

I agree with above, ever empire falls and we all make mistakes. . I wish I could wait. But I can't. I will still get a new LC250 IF they don't f*** stupidly market it above MRSP , that's my limit, I won't pay a dime above MRSP. I wish I could say I'd wait for the possible issues to be resolved in the first years, but after keep seeing Broncos and Jeeps all around town with more modern tech, I won't wait and will get the LC250 provided the above statement is true. I already asked for the best person I know to buy extended warranty for an estimate on the LC250, and I will get the 10 years / 125k mileage zero deductible Toyota warranty.

I did a dumb calculation, for the next 30 years of driving which should be covered by my next and last vehicle: LC250 vs LC200, it is +$60k more just in gas with the lovely V8... So yeah, I will buy the LC250 and trust Toyota.

(PS: I am this close to get a Highlander hybrid, dump a set of AT's, and call it a day. ).

Wish I still had my 100 series

Really enjoy the new 2022 Sienna hybrid I bought, more than I expected.

Searching for my next vehicle in addition to the Sienna… I think of a Tundra, or a Gx460 or….

Then I take a road trip…..

It’s like a Slap in the Face of Reality.

“Gas sipping hybrid is the way to go”

I’d imagine in 8-10 years from now, that statement will be even more accurate.

That 250 is neat

Ps….
You wouldn’t be the first to go the “Highlander Overlander” Route

 

[MeWantLC]

Wish I still had my 100 series

Really enjoy the new 2022 Sienna hybrid I bought, more than I expected.

Searching for my next vehicle in addition to the Sienna… I think of a Tundra, or a Gx460 or….

Then I take a road trip…..

It’s like a Slap in the Face of Reality.

“Gas sipping hybrid is the way to go”

I’d imagine in 8-10 years from now, that statement will be even more accurate.

That 250 is neat

Ps….
You wouldn’t be the first to go the “Highlander Overlander” Route

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Your slap on the face statement is so true. .

Funny, my two Highlanders where black and then silver. Absolutely amazing SUV's. Both VIN starting with J, so Japanese made. .

Definitely my next car would be either a LC250 or a Highlander... Hybrid, either. Maybe even a small Prius too ? Such a beautiful car.

 

[Land Caesar]

Your slap on the face statement is so true. .

Funny, my two Highlanders where black and then silver. Absolutely amazing SUV's. Both VIN starting with J, so Japanese made. .

Definitely my next car would be either a LC250 or a Highlander... Hybrid, either. Maybe even a small Prius too ? Such a beautiful car.

That new Prius is cool looking. Trying to talk my boss into an older one… as I drive a lot.

It’s just difficult to know the great potential of a Hybrid Toyota and then buy something else.

Just today took a 3hr rd trip to a state park.

Just a sippin gasoline. When I got back I looked at the Gauge… 1/4 of a tank from when I left.

Heck… my built 100 series would have been 85% or more of a tank gone.

Someone stated… The problem with the new 250 is that those who understand and own a hybrid, Opinion is much different than those that don't.

250 has many advantages.
I sure will enjoy that Arb Fridge running in the back off the inverter. Along with a small microwave.

What will be interesting is when someone in USA swaps a 4cyl Diesel Hybrid into a USA spec model. Some impressive MPGs with that I’d bet.

 

[MrX]

Couldn’t disagree more. People don’t want to pay 10% interest on loans. People will buy what makes sense to them and what their finances can bear. Maybe you don’t want an EV. And if that’s the case, don’t get one. There’s 100% a market for full size SUVs and trucks that are hybrid or electric.

Yes and there's 100% a demographic of American consumers that don't want an EV SUV, or hybrid, or downsized crap. I want NA V8. Why do you think GM still makes and sells them like hotcakes? They're not gonna stop anytime soon, either.

 

[Land Caesar]

Yes and there's 100% a demographic of American consumers that don't want an EV SUV, or hybrid, or downsized crap. I want NA V8. Why do you think GM still makes and sells them like hotcakes? They're not gonna stop anytime soon, either.

They are cashing in on the reminiscing Consumer that still wants the v8’s as more companies are getting away from it.

As Fuel prices increase… and there is definitely reason to believe they will

I think that Demographic Market will decrease.

As Fuel becomes closer to the average of $5.00 per gallon… Do you really feel people will WANT to continue to purchase a V8 Suburban or Yukon SUV’s ?

You certainty are allowed to have your opinion, yet not your own facts.

Cost of Fuel increasing every decade is Facts.

In next 10 years, the v8 SUV market will continue to diminish as the masses will not be interested as much.

 

[WkndProject]

They are cashing in on the reminiscing Consumer that still wants the v8’s as more companies are getting away from it.

As Fuel prices increase… and there is definitely reason to believe they will

I think that Demographic Market will decrease.

More reason to offer multiple engine options. But it’s Toyota, so that’s a pipe dream.

 

[Phillyd2]

The demographics of those wanting a NA V8 is shrinking and the demographics of those "camping" with microwaves is growing. The LC-Lite will sell like hotcakes

 

[Rednexus]

Yes and there's 100% a demographic of American consumers that don't want an EV SUV, or hybrid, or downsized crap. I want NA V8. Why do you think GM still makes and sells them like hotcakes? They're not gonna stop anytime soon, either.

Lets face it, GM makes a better V8 than Toyota. Simpler, more power, better fuel economy. They might not last 1 million miles but 300-400k is not out of the question for an LS or LT.

FWIW, I love my 2UZ. But an LS would make more power with less fuel.

 

[Land Caesar]

Lets face it, GM makes a better V8 than Toyota. Simpler, more power, better fuel economy. They might not last 1 million miles but 300-400k is not out of the question for an LS or LT.

FWIW, I love my 2UZ. But an LS would make more power with less power.

Sure… 300-400 k miles yet at what maintenance cost?

I very much don’t see many Overland Built GMC/Chevy trucks compared to Toyota.

 

[jayp2]

They are cashing in on the reminiscing Consumer that still wants the v8’s as more companies are getting away from it.

As Fuel prices increase… and there is definitely reason to believe they will

I think that Demographic Market will decrease.

As Fuel becomes closer to the average of $5.00 per gallon… Do you really feel people will WANT to continue to purchase a V8 Suburban or Yukon SUV’s ?

You certainty are allowed to have your opinion, yet not your own facts.

Cost of Fuel increasing every decade is Facts.

In next 10 years, the v8 SUV market will continue to diminish as the masses will not be interested as much.

Fuel prices are artificially inflated by politicians currently in control of not just the US but most western countries.

Look at how much of the price per gallon is tax..

Then remember 2-3 dollar per gallon fuel under the last administration.....then the current administration slashed avail leases and brought a bureaucratic boot heal on the industry.

What happened? The russians made a crap ton of money off increased price per unit of petroleum products....not just fuel but fertilizer etc then once they were flush with cash they started a war.

High energy prices hurt the poor and middle class disproportionately.....and high energy prices fund terrorists organizations across the globe.

The majority of people just want a vehicle that is cost effective, reliable and relatively simple with just enough conveniences to make it pleasant.....why do you think Toyota sells so many corolla's year after year after year.

 

[Land Caesar]

Fuel prices are artificially inflated by politicians currently in control of not just the US but most western countries.

Look at how much of the price per gallon is tax..

Then remember 2-3 dollar per gallon fuel under the last administration.....then the current administration slashed avail leases and brought a bureaucratic boot heal on the industry.

What happened? The russians made a crap ton of money off increased price per unit of petroleum products....not just fuel but fertilizer etc then once they were flush with cash they started a war.

High energy prices hurt the poor and middle class disproportionately.....and high energy prices fund terrorists organizations across the globe.

The majority of people just want a vehicle that is cost effective, reliable and relatively simple with just enough conveniences to make it pleasant.....why do you think Toyota sells so many corolla's year after year after year.

All of that is Great insight

Yet the bottom line is, Gas prices rise per decade

Most people who have a new Toyota, keep it a decade.

Fuel cost is a great contributor to the choice they make.

 

[M1911]

Lets face it, GM makes a better V8 than Toyota. Simpler, more power, better fuel economy. They might not last 1 million miles but 300-400k is not out of the question for an LS or LT.

FWIW, I love my 2UZ. But an LS would make more power with less power.

From what I hear, GM’s active fuel management is an unreliable nightmare.

 

[vantage78]

Sure… 300-400 k miles yet at what maintenance cost?

I very much don’t see many Overland Built GMC/Chevy trucks compared to Toyota.

Those rear control arms on the Tahoe triplets are ridiculously low to the ground…….

 

[Rednexus]

Sure… 300-400 k miles yet at what maintenance cost?

I very much don’t see many Overland Built GMC/Chevy trucks compared to Toyota.

Similar to or less for the engine. An LS has no timing belt and parts are much cheaper as well.

The engines might be great but the vehicles are junk. Electronics, driveline, interior etc. Which is why I own a Toyota. However there is a reason so many people swap GM engines into other vehicles, including Land Cruisers.

 

[Rednexus]

From what I hear, GM’s active fuel management is an unreliable nightmare.

Some of the early versions had issues. Still, it's hard to argue GMs V8 success vs. Toyota who made zero updates to the 3UR from 2007 to to 2021 before dropping it totally for a TTV6. GM went through lots of updates and improvements during that time.

Even the 2UZ had a mid-cycle update with VVTI and other changes. Not sure why the UR didn't get something in a 14 year run.