3FE Power steering pump removal

[Tulip]

Guru's, I am back again and in need of some guidance. I am removing my power steering pump off my 3FE because the PO installed a China made aftermarket pulley on my pump and it is not lining up with the rest of the drive pulleys. I have already ordered the parts (new OEM pulley, key, nut, etc.) from CDan and have them ready to put on. I have all the hardware removed except for one. Please see pic below.

How do I remove get this bolt (the one in the center of the pic behind the pulley) out so I can remove the pump. This is the only thing holding me up.

As always, thanks in advance for your guidance and help.

 

[johnny4ever]

Guru's, I am back again and in need of some guidance. I am removing my power steering pump off my 3FE because the PO installed a China made aftermarket pulley on my pump and it is not lining up with the rest of the drive pulleys. I have already ordered the parts (new OEM pulley, key, nut, etc.) from CDan and have them ready to put on. I have all the hardware removed except for one. Please see pic below.



How do I remove get this bolt (the one in the center of the pic behind the pulley) out so I can remove the pump. This is the only thing holding me up.

As always, thanks in advance for your guidance and help.

Take off that pulley?

 

[itbrokeagain]

Take off that pulley?

Agree

 

[Tulip]

Problem is, there is virtually no space to get an impact on that nut on the pulley to get the pulley off. Okay what happens when I need to put the OEM back on? I assume put the bolt back in before I put the pulley on?

 

[Tenzig Norgay]

First remove pulley. Take off the nut, then use an impact hammer on the back side of the pulley at an angle, to rattle that pulley off. The pulley has a flat spot on the backside for just this purpose, and an impact hammer makes short work of it. Make sure the PS pump is bolted down to make pulley removal easier.

Then your bolt will come right out.

You could taco the pulley, bend it over till the bolt clears since your replacing it anyways, but an impact to the backside is the secret trick.

Now for the super secret trick, when reassembling, put that bolt in from the backside, and the nut on the front to eliminate this mess from happening again. You may need some washers for spacers, can't remember exactly.

Good luck

 

[Bjohnston115]

Cut the bolt, take the pump out then get a new bolt and insert it the opposite way from the back.

Or take the pulley off.

 

[Tulip]

Now for the super secret trick, when reassembling, put that bolt in from the backside, and the nut on the front to eliminate this mess from happening again. You may need some washers for spacers, can't remember exactly.

Good luck

Yeah I was thinking that when I first saw this, but here is the issue. On the 3FE the bolt that I having an issue with does not have a nut on it and threads into the mount. So to make this work by putting it on the backside I would have to drill the threads out on the mount on the backside and then get a nut for the bolt.

Thanks for the tips guys.

 

[itbrokeagain]

Yeah I was thinking that when I first saw this, but here is the issue. On the 3FE the bolt that I having an issue with does not have a nut on it and threads into the mount. So to make this work by putting it on the backside I would have to drill the threads out on the mount on the backside and then get a get a nut for the bolt.

Thanks for the tips guys.

Dunno. All I can tell you is I took the nut off and the pulley practically fell off. This is how I removed mine.

 

[Tulip]

I think I am going to have to rotate the pump to the right as far as I can to get to the nut on the pulley with an impact, then remove the pulley with an puller or do what Tenzig said.

 

[lordbater]

I just went through this.

except the key was busted and it knarled up my pump shaft and pulley. it was freewheeling on the shaft for about 50 miles.

Simple solution.
get a breaker bar or long ratchet, or ofset wrench on the pulley nut. Take a pry bar and pry between the pump and pulley to put it in a bind, nut isn't all that tight..

Good Luck

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[lordbater]

watch that radiator if you're gonna try an impact. I've got all the high end swively sockets and extensions, I couldn't make it work..

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[Tulip]

Alright I finally got it. I pushed the pump as far to the right as I could. Then put an impact with a swivel socket it on it and it wouldn't break loose. Put some PB Blaster on it since it appeared rusted up and then tightened it a few shots on the impact and then loosened it and the nut came off......FINALLY!!.

Noticed then that there was no way in heck that my puller was going to remove the pulley. There is not ridge or anything for the puller to grab too. So at this point I had no clue, so then I looked behind the pulley between it and the pump and there was like a 1/4" of space so I took a chisel making sure not to hit the shaft and tapped slightly driving chisel in the space to essential act as a spreader to push the pulley off the shaft. I did this all around the pulley and then it came right off.

Here is what I found about what the PO did by saving a few bucks and putting an aftermarket China made pulley on the pump.

The aftermarket pulley is on the left and the OEM is on the right. Notice that the aftermarket pulley is at least 1/4" shorter than OEM. Hmmm, no wonder the belt and the pulley wouldn't line up.

Also the v notch on the pulley is not as deep and the pulley is also smaller in diameter than OEM

So I can tell ya now, this is completely par for the course for the previous owners repair work on this rig. Well enough belly aching, time to get it done the right way and move on to the next issue. Thanks again to CDan with dealing with all my questions and for sending me the CORRECT parts and thanks again to all the guru's here. Much appreciated.

 

[lordbater]

not only aftermarket part, but wrong aftermarket part..

What did you pay for the OEM Pulley? Seems I'll be needing one before I get my truck back on the road..

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[Tulip]

I paid $139.25 from CDan. Remember you also need the woodruff key and nut as well. PM CDan and he will take care of you. He is in Albequerque, NM and I had the parts within a few days.

 

[busmup808]

 

[Tenzig Norgay]

Thats what I forgot, drilling out the threads. I knew there was something else I did, but it was 10 years ago. It was worth having the bolt in backwards though, probably taken the ps pump off three or four times now. Once to remove AC compressor, once to replace pushrod cover gasket, once to reseal the pump itself. It speeds up the removal process a little bit is all. Heres a shot of the nut on the frontside. Old pic, my pulley has developed jaundice since then, and now is all yellow

 

[homey]

hey guys, sorry to drudge up an old thread but I'm installing a new belt and PS pulley and I still haven't been able to find a clear answer yet. When I reinstall the pulley what do i need to know? Torque for the bolt? Locktight the threads? How do I measure 7-9.5mm deflection on the belt?

Btw, I felt like a friggin genius when I figured out how to thread the old belt through the fan to get it out of the engine... that should give you some idea of the kind of brain you're dealing with here.

 

[jonheld]

If you locktite the threads, you will NEVER be able to remove that pulley again. Don't do that.
DO NOT use any sort of impact hammer to remove the pulley. That can damage the pump.
Once the pulley is off, remove the woodruff key in the shaft and clean all parts to remove any corrosion or crap. Use anti-seize on the shaft and re-install the woodruff key and the pulley. Tighten the nut by using a strap wrench around the pulley. Done.

 

[MDarius]

Zombie thread won't die... How do I get the pulley back on with a new woodruff key? It's not like it just taps back on with a hammer. I've still got the pump on the truck. I have a pulley installation set I borrowed, but I'm not seeing how it applies to this application in the 3fe. Help?

 

[SUMMIT CRUISERS]

Zombie thread won't die... How do I get the pulley back on with a new woodruff key? It's not like it just taps back on with a hammer. I've still got the pump on the truck. I have a pulley installation set I borrowed, but I'm not seeing how it applies to this application in the 3fe. Help?

I would heat up the center part of the pulley (front and back) with a propane torch and then try. I have noticed that removing the pulley on a cold engine is a PITA. Do not tap on the outer part of the pulley. Only lightly tap on the center section. A touch of grease on the shaft would also help.