I actually don't hate the new Sequoia in everything but the TRDPro. Its not a truck for me, but I think its decent looking, good power, it looks like they went back to a solid rear axle. It could have been a lot worse
300 series in USA
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Safety and airbags and captains chairs has nothing to do with the ugliness and drivetrain overcomplication and soon to be outdated screens and tech of said vehicle.
Nor the incredibly wasteful practice of scrapping tens of thousands of good vehicle parts because it costs a bit to repair.
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The way they've designed the third row with what appears to not have a fold flat option is very odd. From the looks of it, it totally kills cargo carrying capacity.
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I thought I saw a pic that it was much more flat than that. And that is their new shelf system. If it does stick up that much, that would really kill the cargo capacity for sure.
This battle was lost a long time ago. Toyota NA hoisted the white flag in 1998 with the LC. I like the old trucks better too, but I recognize that I am far different from 99.9 percent of folks walking around the dealer lot, looking for a new car. I'm not who Toyota is selling to anymore. Hell, I'd never buy a new car anyway, regardless of the brand.
Honestly, I never was who Toyota was selling to back in the 70's, 80's, 90's either. In 1975 I would have probably bought a Bronco or Scout over an FJ40. In 1984, I would have probably bought a Wagoneer over an FJ60. In 1994, there's no way I would have paid $36,000.00 for an FZJ80 like the previous owner of my 80 did (I have the sticker in the glove box). My love for these old Toyotas borders insanity, but I would have never bought any of the seven Land Cruisers that I currently own as new vehicles. That being said, I'm glad that people did buy these trucks new so that they could be passed down the line to ultimately end up in my hands.
I look at these new trucks and just shake my head. Chunks of hardened steel in the driveline have been replaced with electronic smoke and mirrors. Cables and levers have been replaced with electronic servos and buttons. Steering shafts have been jettisoned for drive-by-wire technology. There's nothing about the new LC that appeals to me right now. Maybe in another 20 years, I'll be a fan. It seems to take me that long to warm up to any Toyota offerings. For now, I'll just continue to drive my old junk in the realization that I'm not who the new LC is meant for.
I love cars, all cars, all eras. While there are cars I like more than others, I can usually find something to appreciate in all of them. I find as much enjoyment driving a 34 Model A as I do a Tesla Model S. Cars have been such an important part of my life I try not to be overly critical cause at the end of the day, we are lucky to have the selection we do.
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Well said however some stuff is boring too me, boring to drive, hard to look at and not well built. Some of the stuff selling on BAT is crazy based on the quality of the car. Some of them were never well built and no amount of money can make them better now. ;<)
I think it all comes down to what is this to you, to me, vehicles are tools to be enjoyed and beat on.
I am not a new car buyer with any amount of money in my bank account.
The new seq is nice and built to sell to the gp and compete against the tahoe and expedition. It will do well.
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I too am firmly in the no new vehicles camp. The level of complexity in even the simplest of items along with the reality of selling as the warranty fades is a no sale for me. The other thing is pure cost vs value. A new vehicle is a depreciating asset at best. With older vehicles, if you choose right and know what you are looking at you can actually be in a position of owning an appreciating asset that is cool and you can maintain yourself. Win win win as far as I am concerned.
Go out and price an extended cab, full bed dually tow rig, New. Heather has 1995 Dodge that meets that bill with a total of $17K into it. 12V Cummins completely gone through at a diesel shop. New fuel pump and injectors along with a host of other parte. Front steering and suspension gone through. The thing drives and pulls a trailer like a dream. Oh yeah, we ripped out the interior and cleaned and rebuilt everything that needed it. Point being, for less than 1/4 of the price of a new truck that uses that DEF crap etc. she has a cool truck that does it's job well and it worth far more than invested to boot!
Same applies to Land Cruisers. For the price of that new Sequoia you can build one hell of a 60 or 80 that if you compare to what they sell for these days it is still an appreciating asset.
Go out and price an extended cab, full bed dually tow rig, New. Heather has 1995 Dodge that meets that bill with a total of $17K into it. 12V Cummins completely gone through at a diesel shop. New fuel pump and injectors along with a host of other parte. Front steering and suspension gone through. The thing drives and pulls a trailer like a dream. Oh yeah, we ripped out the interior and cleaned and rebuilt everything that needed it. Point being, for less than 1/4 of the price of a new truck that uses that DEF crap etc. she has a cool truck that does it's job well and it worth far more than invested to boot!
Same applies to Land Cruisers. For the price of that new Sequoia you can build one hell of a 60 or 80 that if you compare to what they sell for these days it is still an appreciating asset.
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I dunno. I just wish Toyota would bring over a simpler Prado with turbo diesel and manual gearbox. Oh wait, nobody drives manuals anymore....
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There are ton of younger kids wanting manuals at my daughters high school. The same for my friends kids in hickory. Also, I’ve noticed manual older stuff going for more money than their automagic siblings. All my next vehicles will be manual. And if i win the lottery the 100 will be converted to oem manual.
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I share a lot of the sentiments already expressed. At this point I plan on keeping the 100 until the wheels fall off... I have never purchased a car new and I don't plan to any time soon.
I'd prefer a manual as well. I want driving to be an experience, at a certain point it almost doesn't even matter what the vehicle is, as long as it is engaging. If I had more disposable income I'd be scooping up manual HDJ80/100s and bringing them back to the States.
I'd prefer a manual as well. I want driving to be an experience, at a certain point it almost doesn't even matter what the vehicle is, as long as it is engaging. If I had more disposable income I'd be scooping up manual HDJ80/100s and bringing them back to the States.
Started watching these guys a lot with my boy’s lately. Ran across this one last night. I’m sure some of you have already seen it but thought I’d share. Pretty honest critique and assessment of the 300 although I guess it really doesn’t matter since we’re not getting one LOL. Good to know overall that it’s getting pretty good reviews and living up to the name though.
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I dig how they review cars vs the US guys.
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I agree. A turbo diesel 5 speed manual 100 series would be my dream truck with IFS.
Interesting observation, there is a 1HD-FTE group on FB and they are having trouble getting engines. And people are constantly looking for someone to swap these engines in and rebuild them. This group is Australia and the motor is still that popular. It is basically 15 years since that motor was available in the 100. Not sure about the 70 series.
For any "new car" - - I think I am waiting for the all-electric Tacoma or whatever it will be - all the same computer issues, but with the simplicity of an electric engine vs all the issues of two power systems (one turbo) and then the systems to merge them together.
By that time, maybe the chargers will be more widespread, etc.
Get out your repair software for your old laptop, plug it in, diagnose the issue, put in the new flux capacitor and go on your way. . . am I making this too easy?
By that time, maybe the chargers will be more widespread, etc.
Get out your repair software for your old laptop, plug it in, diagnose the issue, put in the new flux capacitor and go on your way. . . am I making this too easy?
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That would be cool. The challenge is the stealerships make a ton of revenue on service and repair. Hopefully some sw gurus will figure out exactly what needs to be done and bypass ever going back to the dealer.
Forget the 300. Behold the Lunar Cruiser!
