2F ran hot for 1,100 miles--Help deciding what to do next

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Sorry for the book, but I'm writing this like you haven't done this kind of thing before but you have tools and some skills.

If you're worried about the heater cores, bypass them with some straight hose that loops back.

K-seal or Blue Devil seem to work the best from what I have heard.



Follow the directions to a T, then you can try a few tricks.

1. Most often it is a leaking gasket, not a cracked head, especially if you had the timing too far advanced and rattled it for a couple thousand miles. Unless you scope the cylinder and see a crack, I'd suspect a gasket a lot more than a head casting. If you were driving around with the timing too far advanced, you probably pushed the gasket between two cylinders out of position with pre-ignition, probably between cylinders 3 and 4. That gives two options. Drive it and hope, or yank the head and replace the gasket. If you are trying to drive 1000 miles home, across the mid-west in July, I'd be hard pressed not to just get a hotel where or nearby a place you can work on the rig, yank the head and fix it or tow it home with a U-Haul.

2. If you choose to drive, retard the timing a little if you haven't already. Rattling it is going to kill it that much faster. If you don't know which cylinders are failing, you can do a power balance test to see if you can figure out which cylinder, or pair of cylinders is most affected. If they did a compression test any cylinder that was low is suspect, especially if they are side by side. If you do a power balance test and have two side by side that make very little difference in idle speed when you pull a plug wire, that is where you will find your problem. Then you have a choice. You can re-torque the head bolts to spec and go a little higher than OEM spec to try and band-aid it or drive it as-is.

If you want to re-torque, you can do this without pulling the bolt all the way out. If they are crusty feeling when you loosen them, loosen until you can shoot some very light oil down the hole under the head, working it back and forth several times till loosens up, then re-torquing to spec, plus 5-10 ft/lbs. Any light oil will work, PB Blaster, ATF etc. will be fine, motor oil if it's thin will also work but may not flow down the threads very well. If you find a couple loose ones as you are breaking them loose or a bunch of them that loosen very easily, that is probably your problem. This only works about half the time I've ever tried it but some help is better than none.


If you want to run it as-is, and you identify cylinder(s) that are affected, you can pull the plug wires on those cylinders and give the head gasket in a bottle trick a go. You can do this 2-ways. Fast-Idle it with no load for an hour, watching the temp guage and allowing it to get hot without loading the engine or you can drive it normal. Beware, if you have a catalytic converter, this can melt the insides and make a bad situation worse, so proceed with caution. Anytime you have unburnt fuel going into a Cat, you can melt it pretty fast, like minutes, not hours. If you don't have a Cat, the exhaust will get hotter, but it will probably be just fine as long as you aren't flogging it. The advantage of trying to stopping combustion in cylinders that are leaking is that there won't be pressure trying to blow the gasket out, while you get it hot enough and drive it long enough that it can try to fill the gaps with the stop leak. Going to be a total dog with no power, but it will run down the road faster than walking. Probably 20-30 miles of driving and getting up to temp will get the sealer started working. 2nd option is just leave the plug wires on the cylinders and drive super easy. Every power stroke under load is going to want to push that gasket out more or push the sealer out of the crack, if that's what you did.

Pro's and Con's to having the radiator cap on.

Pressure will push the sealer into the crack or spaces where it can try to seal. If you put the cap on, you can also pressurize the cooling system too much with combustion gases and it will blow the top tank off the radiator or find a weak point in a hose / fitting. Your call. If I was idling it or fast-idling with no load, I'd leave the cap on and run it for an hour to try and get the sealer to work by forcing it into the hole with water pressure. If you are loading the motor by driving, I'd leave it loose, but not off to hold as much water in the system as possible without building too much pressure. Try to drive at a steady pace no more than 1/4 throttle. Coast down hills if you can rather than using engine braking to prevent high vacuum in the cylinders from sucking water in, if you left the cap off.

These motors are very hardy. They can tolerate a lot of abuse and with such low power output, they can run with hurt parts for quite a distance.

If I were trying to get home, I'd probably try to stay off the freeway where you can cruise along at 40-45 mph, and avoid lugging the motor or flogging it as much as possible. As a last resort, you can pull the hood off to try and get more air through the radiator if you have a place to stow it and see if that will keep it cool enough to push on.
 
Anybody know if he made it home?
I left Monday evening and am almost half way across Wyoming.

I've tried a lot of things-- Running with the cooling system depressurized, Bars Leak, and the latest is the stuff that claims it will lower engine temps when you put it in the radiator. Really nothing is working. I got on the road at 5am and was able to keep the stock temp gauge in a decent place. Now that the sun is beating down on the Cruiser, it is getting up to the red pretty quickly. I've stopped a lot to let it cool down and am keeping my speeds 55-60. I've come to the realization that I need to get off the interstate (80) as I am just too slow for traffic.

Question for you all--is there a way to force the fan clutch to engage? I bought a new one and installed it last week but I can't hear the fan running at all.
 
Have you installed a mechanical temperature gauge or are you still going off of the stock gauge? I would highly advise against running that Head gasket in a can fix.

If your head gasket is truly blown it might make more sense to just rent a truck and trailer and quit driving it.
 
I've think I have seen someone use wire to wrap around the fan and clutch to hold them together. I don't know if it's a good idea or not.

I agree with above, that you may be better off renting a truck and trailer. There isn't much between Rawlins and Laramie but a lot of steep grades. You can take US 30 about 20 miles east of Rawlins, which is slower, but more remote. The grade east of Laramie is also pretty severe. After that it is almost all downhill...
 
I made it home this afternoon. I love road trips, but that one sucked. It was in the mid 90's every day and 105 inside the Cruiser. I'm not sure what's next, but I've invested a lot into this thing and it continues to have expensive failures.
 
At least you made it home. Now you can do the fun part and figure out what failed.

There is a thing I like to remind people sometimes. These were decent rigs, in the 1980's. Not good by any means, but adequate. Certainly not up to American standards of power and cooling systems that we now take for granted. There is a reason a lot of them got V8 swapped back in the day and it is still happening.

People like to brag about all the things the overseas landcruisers endure. There is a huge difference between a U.S. spec cruiser that had to be smogged and neutered with the things we often replace and the tractors masquerading as trucks that the rest of the world got and figured out how to make better in the last 40 years.
 
Yeah, I'm beginning to think the 2F is just not up to what I what I want to do with my 60 (long distance trips). I don't need a rocket ship, but the ability to do even 65-70 with our little trailer would be nice. I've been looking at swaps today and was looking at the 3FE and a H55 transmission. I had a 91 FJ80 on 35's with 4.88's and it did decent on the highway, so maybe it would be pretty good in my 60. The only other option seems to be V8. I am not handy enough, nor do I have the tools to do a swap alone, so I'd need a shop to do it. I have no idea what to budget for either swap with labor and that is going to really determin what route I go.
 
Yeah, I'm beginning to think the 2F is just not up to what I what I want to do with my 60 (long distance trips). I don't need a rocket ship, but the ability to do even 65-70 with our little trailer would be nice. I've been looking at swaps today and was looking at the 3FE and a H55 transmission. I had a 91 FJ80 on 35's with 4.88's and it did decent on the highway, so maybe it would be pretty good in my 60. The only other option seems to be V8. I am not handy enough, nor do I have the tools to do a swap alone, so I'd need a shop to do it. I have no idea what to budget for either swap with labor and that is going to really determin what route I go.
Easily $20 grand if you have a friend do the swap these days, climbs steeply for a shop. I did a vortec 5.3 swap and love the power but have had your same experiences over the last 20+ years and it takes all the fun out of trips. I have quite the photo album of cruisers on the back of tow trucks. I just drove my 62 from Denver to slc this weekend and gritted my teeth the whole way. Lost ac, interior power in Cheyenne, lights in Laramie, but she made it and I got thumbs up from people passing me the whole way. My family isn't game for the stress anymore and we have a comfy 100. I can do simple road side repairs but no more road trips in the sixty unless I have a master mechanic with me, I save her for local club runs and cruising around town.

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I was in Laramie Wednesday. I get the adventure, but stuff like this ruins a family vacation for me. I don't have the option of having another road trip vehicle that we can take. At this point, I either make a huge investment in the 60, or get rid of it for something else that will do the job.
 
I wish I had friends who could do stuff like this. I've also not been active enough in our local club to feel like I could ask for help with such a large project. This kind of a project is quite a bit out of my wheelhouse. I've reached out to a couple of shops to get a quote, but am pretty nervous about what the number will be.
 
Budget is a real consideration. Might I suggest you start a new thread in the 60 area asking for input on how to move forward. A 2FE where you take the best of the 3FE and throw it on your shortblock is a decent way to get some advantages, but the problem is you are still asking a sub-300 cubic inch engine to drag 6 or 7K lbs down the road on off-road tires. This subject has been beat to death for 20 years. I can throw out some options, but I don't want to waste this thread with a bunch of things that will make people angry.

FWIW, you can flat tow or trailer a lifted 60 behind a decent 1 ton truck and get the same mpg and drive faster than you can drive a 2F empty across the same roads. They just aren't up to the task we ask of them without a turbo $$$ or an engine swap. Also, don't fall for the LS is the only option crowd. I'd take a Vortec 350 in front of your current H-42 transmission for anything except racing or MPG challenges. Everyone loves the LS, but dollar for dollar, and taking torque into consideration, you can get a good running 350 to do everything you need it to do with less complexity and the swaps have been done hundreds of times. They may not make the top-end HP that the LS motors make, but that extra torque at 700-1000 rpm is huge when you don't have a granny gear.
 
Budget is a real consideration. Might I suggest you start a new thread in the 60 area asking for input on how to move forward. A 2FE where you take the best of the 3FE and throw it on your shortblock is a decent way to get some advantages, but the problem is you are still asking a sub-300 cubic inch engine to drag 6 or 7K lbs down the road on off-road tires. This subject has been beat to death for 20 years. I can throw out some options, but I don't want to waste this thread with a bunch of things that will make people angry.

FWIW, you can flat tow or trailer a lifted 60 behind a decent 1 ton truck and get the same mpg and drive faster than you can drive a 2F empty across the same roads. They just aren't up to the task we ask of them without a turbo $$$ or an engine swap. Also, don't fall for the LS is the only option crowd. I'd take a Vortec 350 in front of your current H-42 transmission for anything except racing or MPG challenges. Everyone loves the LS, but dollar for dollar, and taking torque into consideration, you can get a good running 350 to do everything you need it to do with less complexity and the swaps have been done hundreds of times. They may not make the top-end HP that the LS motors make, but that extra torque at 700-1000 rpm is huge when you don't have a granny gear.
Never done an engine swap, but I've cut my teeth on 80s-90s GM V8s. Damn good engines, and super plentiful. Don't let my brother hear me say this, but they handle the highway a lot better. You've got my vote
 
@KS-Ryan thats awesome you made it home! A true testament to the old 2F and you are also a trooper!

I have yet to see an engine that is blowing exhaust gasses out of the cooling system like your 2F. After we pullout the test kit (engine shut off) it spewed pressurized exhaust gasses out of the radiator for at least 10 seconds if not 15! Then you drove it home. 🤩🍻

Cheers
 
@KS-Ryan thats awesome you made it home! A true testament to the old 2F and you are also a trooper!

I have yet to see an engine that is blowing exhaust gasses out of the cooling system like your 2F. After we pullout the test kit (engine shut off) it spewed pressurized exhaust gasses out of the radiator for at least 10 seconds if not 15! Then you drove it home. 🤩🍻

Cheers
I was going to text you tomorrow to let you know I made it. Thanks again for squeezing me in!
 

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