2024 GX wait list (2 Viewers)

[Banandalorian]

^ Rumor mill on GXOR facebook group is saying the new GX will offer some kind of factory off road package/trim with 33s and more goodies, which makes a lot of sense.

The GX has had to pretend to be Lexus's midsize 3 row crossover for 14 years so a lot of work and bodywork went into hiding that it's actually a body on frame truck with serious off road chops (once you buy new tires and chop off 4 inches of plastic and then go down a rabbit hole and end up on this forum). With the introduction of the Lexus Texas they no longer have to hide what the GX actually is to catch people cross-shopping with Q7s and MDXs. The new GX should be aimed squarely at the Defender in terms of target market and intent. It is not a factory rock crawler and will still be a quiet, comfortable, easy to drive Lexus but they can play to the luxury truck crowd much more than they previously could.

 

[BigSwede]

Definitely!

Look at the new Taco though, check out the hood line as it goes into the cowl and windshield, looks very similar to the teaser:

Guessing that the 6th gen 4Runner will look like this 2024 4th gen Tacoma, I'm thinking that's where the GX comes in

Looks like it's mascara is running...

 

[Jetboy]

So are we all thinking the Prado, GX, and T4R will all be on the same platform? If so, it would make sense for them to roll them out in the order @Tex68w presented...

There's a long thread in the LC300 forum about it. Short version is that the rumor is there will be 4 models of the GA-F platform for north america that are similar (5 if you count the Tacoma). A new Land Cruiser (LC 240 or??) and GX550 that will be very similar - akin to what the GX/Prado are now. And the Prado and 4Runner will carry on as new models staying true to their current mission. All BOF models now are a shared platform, so it's hard to say what it means to be Prado vs LC300 or if there is any difference anymore underneath. But the main idea as I understand it is that - GX is no longer a Prado with different plastics, and the LC model is also not a Prado - at least not anymore so than a 4Runner or a Tacoma is a Prado. They're all the same thing in some sense.

The teaser to me says LR Defender styling more so than G wagon. But it also does look a bit like the Land Cruiser XJ700 concept. So it'll be interesting to see what the overall styling does.

 

[Tex68w]

^ Rumor mill on GXOR facebook group is saying the new GX will offer some kind of factory off road package/trim with 33s and more goodies, which makes a lot of sense.

The GX has had to pretend to be Lexus's midsize 3 row crossover for 14 years so a lot of work and bodywork went into hiding that it's actually a body on frame truck with serious off road chops (once you buy new tires and chop off 4 inches of plastic and then go down a rabbit hole and end up on this forum). With the introduction of the Lexus Texas they no longer have to hide what the GX actually is to catch people cross-shopping with Q7s and MDXs. The new GX should be aimed squarely at the Defender in terms of target market and intent. It is not a factory rock crawler and will still be a quiet, comfortable, easy to drive Lexus but they can play to the luxury truck crowd much more than they previously could.

I don't see it, it's too far removed from their target consumer in that vehicle especially. There will most likely be a version of that but the standard GX sells like hot cakes and it still has a massive role in their line-up and the continued record breaking sales in it's 14th year prove that. Not everyone wants a cross-over land yacht for hauling around a family of six, that market is saturated by literally every single manufacturer as well. I hope to be proven wrong but no way the GX is going to be sold only as a GXOR variant.

 

[Tex68w]

There's a long thread in the LC300 forum about it. Short version is that the rumor is there will be 4 models of the GA-F platform for north america that are similar (5 if you count the Tacoma). A new Land Cruiser (LC 240 or??) and GX550 that will be very similar - akin to what the GX/Prado are now. And the Prado and 4Runner will carry on as new models staying true to their current mission. All BOF models now are a shared platform, so it's hard to say what it means to be Prado vs LC300 or if there is any difference anymore underneath. But the main idea as I understand it is that - GX is no longer a Prado with different plastics, and the LC model is also not a Prado - at least not anymore so than a 4Runner or a Tacoma is a Prado. They're all the same thing in some sense.

The teaser to me says LR Defender styling more so than G wagon. But it also does look a bit like the Land Cruiser XJ700 concept. So it'll be interesting to see what the overall styling does.

The only consistent theme here is that these are all just "rumors" and "assumptions". There's a possibility that there will be a lot of cross-over between these models and there's also the possibility that there won't, at least not on the surface, the underpinnings will all be similar to a degree given the global platform. All we can do is wait and see what the GX unveiling proves to us next month and even then the 4Runner and LC/Prado remain to be seen.

 

[MotoDave]

I have to say - I don't really get why Lexus would keep selling the GX once the Highlander based TX is available. The TX is going to do pretty much everything better than the GX for the average new Lexus buyer - better mpg, better on road manners, better interior space, etc. I guess the price gap between the LX and GX is pretty significant - but its hard to imagine that those few well-heeled enthusiasts who value the Off-Road capability wouldn't step up to the LX.

I also don't get why Toyota would want to have the 4runner and a Land Cruiser Prado variant competing for sales. It'd be a mistake for them to de-feature the 4runner to leave capability for the Prado only, at least in the higher Off Road and TRD pro trims, so you'd end up with 2 nearly identical capability vehicles. It was the same story with the Sequoia and LC200, and we know how that ended.

Those hoping for a 70 series type vehicle are dreaming in my opinion - the US market just isn't there for it in the volume Toyota wants. If anything I can see them coming out with something to compete for Bronco buyers, for which the FJ Cruiser name would make more sense (in the US at least).

And ... queue the flamethrowers

 

[Tex68w]

I have to say - I don't really get why Lexus would keep selling the GX once the Highlander based TX is available. The TX is going to do pretty much everything better than the GX for the average new Lexus buyer - better mpg, better on road manners, better interior space, etc. I guess the price gap between the LX and GX is pretty significant - but its hard to imagine that those few well-heeled enthusiasts who value the Off-Road capability wouldn't step up to the LX.

I also don't get why Toyota would want to have the 4runner and a Land Cruiser Prado variant competing for sales. It'd be a mistake for them to de-feature the 4runner to leave capability for the Prado only, at least in the higher Off Road and TRD pro trims, so you'd end up with 2 nearly identical capability vehicles. It was the same story with the Sequoia and LC200, and we know how that ended.

Those hoping for a 70 series type vehicle are dreaming in my opinion - the US market just isn't there for it in the volume Toyota wants. If anything I can see them coming out with something to compete for Bronco buyers, for which the FJ Cruiser name would make more sense (in the US at least).

And ... queue the flamethrowers

I agree with most everything you said but the gap between a GX and the current LX is nearly double, that's not doable for nearly 90% of all buyers. There's a market for a body on frame mid-size SUV, the current GX sales numbers prove that. The TX is merely a Lexus trim Grand Highlander, nothing more than a less sporty Mercedes GLS. The GLE exists alongside of the GLS, one is simply a larger true three-row and yet the GLE outsells the GLS 4:1. The truth is that most don't need these massive luxury land yachts they are pushing and those that do are more likely to choose a domestic option like the Tahoe/Suburban or Expedition, more than likely due to the price point and availability.

 

[MotoDave]

I agree with most everything you said but the gap between a GX and the current LX is nearly double, that's not doable for nearly 90% of all buyers. There's a market for a body on frame mid-size SUV, the current GX sales numbers prove that. The TX is merely a Lexus trim Grand Highlander, nothing more than a less sporty Mercedes GLS. The GLE exists alongside of the GLS, one is simply a larger true three-row and yet the GLE outsells the GLS 4:1. The truth is that most don't need these massive luxury land yachts they are pushing and those that do are more likely to choose a domestic option like the Tahoe/Suburban or Expedition, more than likely due to the price point and availability.

In think you're right - its probably a price point decision. My guess - the TX will slot in where the current GX is at $60k ish. The GX will grow to $70-80k, and the LX will be $90k+.

 

[Banandalorian]

I don't see it, it's too far removed from their target consumer in that vehicle especially. There will most likely be a version of that but the standard GX sells like hot cakes and it still has a massive role in their line-up and the continued record breaking sales in it's 14th year prove that. Not everyone wants a cross-over land yacht for hauling around a family of six, that market is saturated by literally every single manufacturer as well. I hope to be proven wrong but no way the GX is going to be sold only as a GXOR variant.

The off road package/trim/accessories will be just that, but the new GX should visually embrace that it can do those things rather than try to cover it up like the current model. The 2014 redesign was mostly meant to hide that the GX is a body on frame truck because Lexus needed a 3 row SUV between the RX and the LX and was competing with everyone else's luxury crossovers. Since that redesign, the idea of overlanding/off roading/looking cool at Starbucks has become massively popular and we can see that because everyone is doing an "off road" trim on everything they can. The latest marketing for the current GX reflects this trend, but the combination of regulatory requirements and existing capability meant that it wasn't cost effective to create a more capable trim/package in the current model. It's nothing for any of us to trim some fender plastic when we add an inch of tire, but for Lexus to do that means regulatory reviews and crash testing and so forth.

But actual capability isn't necessarily what matters here. What matters is that this is America, the land of the $90,000 luxury super truck. You'll be able to get a new GX that is incredibly quiet and comfortable and eats up road miles. But (hopefully) you will also be able to give Lexus more money and get a new GX that is still quiet and comfortable and eats up road miles but does so with 33 inch all terrains and some approach angle.

 

[GrizzlyClint]

I don't see it, it's too far removed from their target consumer in that vehicle especially. There will most likely be a version of that but the standard GX sells like hot cakes and it still has a massive role in their line-up and the continued record breaking sales in it's 14th year prove that. Not everyone wants a cross-over land yacht for hauling around a family of six, that market is saturated by literally every single manufacturer as well. I hope to be proven wrong but no way the GX is going to be sold only as a GXOR variant.

^ this

 

[Kajun]

I’m as intrigued and exited as everyone else.
When do the mods add a GX 550 / Prado 180 tab?

 

[Jetboy]

The only consistent theme here is that these are all just "rumors" and "assumptions". There's a possibility that there will be a lot of cross-over between these models and there's also the possibility that there won't, at least not on the surface, the underpinnings will all be similar to a degree given the global platform. All we can do is wait and see what the GX unveiling proves to us next month and even then the 4Runner and LC/Prado remain to be seen.

Carmaker hasn't been perfect, but very close over the last decade. Only source I really trust.

I expect that they will also be basically one shared chassis and different skins and powertrains. Toyota has been on this path for a long time. So it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to make a bunch of different platforms. It would be pretty unusual to see some Tacomas having leaf springs and some having coils like Ford has for the Ranger models. Yet the Tacoma teaser photo silhouettes show some with leaves and some with coils. Go figure. If they're going to put both leaf and coil rear suspensions on different versions of the same truck, I'm not sure how much they're willing to mix and match or customize between the 5 different midsize suvs they're going to sell. Could be completely different, but I'd bet that the 4 new ones and the Tacoma are all nearly identical underneath like the 4Runner/GX/Prado are now with the LX600 being the outlier that's more heavily built.

 

[Jetboy]

I have to say - I don't really get why Lexus would keep selling the GX once the Highlander based TX is available. The TX is going to do pretty much everything better than the GX for the average new Lexus buyer - better mpg, better on road manners, better interior space, etc. I guess the price gap between the LX and GX is pretty significant - but its hard to imagine that those few well-heeled enthusiasts who value the Off-Road capability wouldn't step up to the LX.

I also don't get why Toyota would want to have the 4runner and a Land Cruiser Prado variant competing for sales. It'd be a mistake for them to de-feature the 4runner to leave capability for the Prado only, at least in the higher Off Road and TRD pro trims, so you'd end up with 2 nearly identical capability vehicles. It was the same story with the Sequoia and LC200, and we know how that ended.

Those hoping for a 70 series type vehicle are dreaming in my opinion - the US market just isn't there for it in the volume Toyota wants. If anything I can see them coming out with something to compete for Bronco buyers, for which the FJ Cruiser name would make more sense (in the US at least).

And ... queue the flamethrowers

I think the LX ends up as the odd man out here. The TX is significantly bigger than the LX and will be the only full size (ish) 3 row. The LX is now in a bit of a tricky position as the smaller, but more expensive model. The LX isn't really the off-road model it once was sold as. With a new GX occupying that market, where does it leave the LX? It sits functionally between the TX and GX somewhere and costs more than either one. Possibly as much as both combined. What's the value proposition? You should buy it because it's the most expensive? That seems like a tough place to exist even within the lexus showroom.

 

[Tex68w]

Carmaker hasn't been perfect, but very close over the last decade. Only source I really trust.

I expect that they will also be basically one shared chassis and different skins and powertrains. Toyota has been on this path for a long time. So it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to make a bunch of different platforms. It would be pretty unusual to see some Tacomas having leaf springs and some having coils like Ford has for the Ranger models. Yet the Tacoma teaser photo silhouettes show some with leaves and some with coils. Go figure. If they're going to put both leaf and coil rear suspensions on different versions of the same truck, I'm not sure how much they're willing to mix and match or customize between the 5 different midsize suvs they're going to sell. Could be completely different, but I'd bet that the 4 new ones and the Tacoma are all nearly identical underneath like the 4Runner/GX/Prado are now with the LX600 being the outlier that's more heavily built.

The chassis will be shared, no doubt, it's length/wheel base and power plants that will separate them.

I doubt they bring the 4th gen Tacoma out with rear leaves, any pics shown as such are likely to throw us off. If it's not a boxed frame or at least a frame stronger than the 3rd Gen frame with coils, rear discs, a higher payload/tow rating and a better power plant then they lose the moment it hits the lots. I have high hopes for the Tacoma, I'd love one as a daily and I likely would have picked one up as such some 4-5 years back had it not been for the 3rd Gen being the worst Tacoma up to this point.

 

[Jetboy]

The chassis will be shared, no doubt, it's length/wheel base and power plants that will separate them.

I doubt they bring the 4th gen Tacoma out with rear leaves, any pics shown as such are likely to throw us off. If it's not a boxed frame or at least a frame stronger than the 3rd Gen frame with coils, rear discs, a higher payload/tow rating and a better power plant then they lose the moment it hits the lots. I have high hopes for the Tacoma, I'd love one as a daily and I likely would have picked one up as such some 4-5 years back had it not been for the 3rd Gen being the worst Tacoma up to this point.

The low ride height one is the one with leaf springs in the silhouette. I assume 2wd model. Probably a marketing team using a bad image. You can see the rear leaf springs:

I'd be surprised to see any engine other than the T24A and some sort of normally aspirated 4cyl. I tend to think the T2.4 will be a better engine in normal driving than the current 2GR despite having similar output. It has more power lower in the RPM range. I think the 10 speed will also help a lot. It's just going to be well short of the Ranger and Colorado/Canyon if that's all Toyota has for the Tacoma.

 

[Coupedncal]

It seems the me Lexus is pushing the LX so far up the chain that soon it will not be able to justify selling it here in North America.
UX - Compact
NX - Midsize
RX Midsize +
TX Large

GX - BOF Midsize
LX - BOF Large

My reading is LX will sunset in North America as the target customer base will shift to the TX. Same reason they could not justify selling the LC 300 here. And TX will move more upmarket to take on the LX crowd. They only need one BOF in the Lexus lineup and GX can easily fit that niche with multiple trims.

 

[GrizzlyClint]

I really wish I could get an LX before anything happens...

 

[Tex68w]

It’s a crying shame the 300 Cruiser wasn’t brought here, we had planned to buy one. We only got the 200 because we learned the 300 wasn’t coming and we didn’t want to miss out on buying a new one. We test drove the LX600 last year and passed, back seat leg room is smaller, the dual screens in the center stack are awkward and the asymmetrical dash gauges bother me just like they do in the new Bronco.

I’m open to the new GX and whatever the LC-Prado might be but I’ll have to wait and see where they land. We grabbed a ‘22 GX460 just to have the best and last of the V8’s. We might keep it for the long haul or it might go on down the road in the next few years or even sooner but regardless we have one should we decide not to sell it.

 

[Washingtontaco]

With the TNGA-F platform all BOF vehicles will be based on the same chassis. So they all should be coil rear suspensions. What we may find is you can install a LX front suspension on your GX and have a wide body long travel suspension with factory parts, same with the rear axle! All speculation of course.

As for the images I like what I'm seeing.

This summer is full of information, new models and excitement for Toyota/Lexus!

Now if they would only super charge the LC500!!

 

[jdam]

With the TNGA-F platform all BOF vehicles will be based on the same chassis. So they all should be coil rear suspensions. What we may find is you can install a LX front suspension on your GX and have a wide body long travel suspension with factory parts, same with the rear axle! All speculation of course.

I think we need to remember the distinction between a platform and them sharing identical chassis. To me, that means that while the architecture (basic geometry, mechanical design, etc.) can be the same/similar, but the actual parts themselves might not be the same. Toyota makes things on a large enough scale that making small changes to the platform is worthwhile. So not all the parts will share, it might not even be the same type of part (leaf v coil) but a lot of the stuff is similar.