2uz could also be had in the 200.
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)
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Does Toyota use the same 8-speed & 10-speed transmission in every vehicle?
Or does each have multiple versions for lighter and heavier duty vehicles?
Or does each have multiple versions for lighter and heavier duty vehicles?
Meanwhile we wait for newer news from the LC Prado.... would you please share your Subaru experience? I was / am thinking about the Outback Wilderness that comes ready "lifted" from factory. I did look at it a few years back ,but prices were stupidly crazy, probably still are, but less nowadays. I know Subaru folks like them turbos, but I did wish they offered this version with the lower engine and more efficient, but still, the turbo is more efficient than the V8 in the LC200. Anyways, not to start a war Subaru vs XX X here, so please children behave yourselves LOL, but more I am curious to hear someone's opinion that actually had them before and now has a LC200 !
Cheers,
G.
Cheers,
G.
Here's the ridiculous part. They're the same transmission. The 5 speed has all 6 gears. It just doesn't shift into 6th. And the worst part is that it's by design. They use the same gear train but the 5-speed has a different valve body that doesn't have enough valves to shift all the right clutches to go to 6th gear. So you can't bypass the lockout with electronics. Why? I have no idea.
You can verify yourself if you want to look through the part numbers of the transmission internals.
Subarus are good cars, but a bit flawed. We had a 2000 5mt Forester and a 2014 cvt Outback. The Forester was my favorite by far, but did require head gaskets, clutch, etc. I sold it to my neighbor and she is still driving it at 240k. It's a lot of fun with the EJ25 and manual and refuses to die.
Build quality and reliability are not Toyota good but better than a domestic car. They are also stuipid-easy to work on. Struts, oil changes, etc are very easy. Our 2014 OB had some annoying problems like needed rear shocks every 40k, new caliper brackets in the front, and new head and fog lights yearly. But zero big issues.
IMO if you want a reliable, economical, and versatile vehicle, get a NA 2.5 Outback. It's a very sorted platform, capable enough for soft roading, drives great on the highway, and gets good fuel economy. The Wilderness will be less reliable with the FA24 turbo and have a sizeable MPG and reliability penalty. CVT reliability with the turbo has also been mixed. The unibody platform flexes poorly and will always be handicapped offroad regardless of the lift. I would personally get a 5th gen T4R over a Wilderness.
I have a 22 Outback Limited as a company car and I hate it! The A/C and vent configuration is the worst of any car I’ve ever been in, and Texas summers are brutal. The center screen is super glitchy which makes everything from audio to HVAC control tough to use. The steering wheel doesn’t have any comfortable position to hold on longer drives. The car is super noisy on the highway and phone calls have to be on high to hear, then you blow out your eardrums when to radio turns back on. I’m almost 6’4” 275 lbs and while I fit well with 2nd row room the seat itself is pretty uncomfortable for longer periods. The space is great and pickup isn’t bad but I can’t wait to pull my 200 out of the garage on the weekends!
Thanks y'all ! Thank you for the run down.
Yeah, I am considering the Onyx since in 2023 is offered with the NA engine. The increased mileage is so good and beneficial. I have had quite a few T4R's, some stock, some modified not too crazy but still, and the only one that I really want back is my Trail edition from 2012. I really miss that truck. I posted a pic before. I still text with the buyer, and keep asking him to sell it back to me...LOL. The T4R's are GREAT cars, but I have had enough of them; once modded, the MPG was not that great vs the LC200. I don't go as extreme as a T4R would be needed, hence a Subaru Outback might be better.
Thank you Gr8, that is the real kind of feedback I love to hear. Thanks a lot !
Oh well, I guess MUST wait for the LC Prado after all ! LOL. I know, sMiles-per-gallon, but jezz ! I am tired to see 13's and 14's MPG on a good day. Not planing to start a MPG battle again, yada yada... Just say'ng ! And when I was checking the MPG improvement of the hybrid Tundra vs gas, not so much. The Sequoia hybrid does better than previous gen, but who knows what is due to the hybrid and what is because the new everything else ! Man, I keep wishing the new LC Prado at least brings 20 MPG combined !
Good weekend to y'all !\
Cheers,
G
Yeah, I am considering the Onyx since in 2023 is offered with the NA engine. The increased mileage is so good and beneficial. I have had quite a few T4R's, some stock, some modified not too crazy but still, and the only one that I really want back is my Trail edition from 2012. I really miss that truck. I posted a pic before. I still text with the buyer, and keep asking him to sell it back to me...LOL. The T4R's are GREAT cars, but I have had enough of them; once modded, the MPG was not that great vs the LC200. I don't go as extreme as a T4R would be needed, hence a Subaru Outback might be better.
Thank you Gr8, that is the real kind of feedback I love to hear. Thanks a lot !
Oh well, I guess MUST wait for the LC Prado after all ! LOL. I know, sMiles-per-gallon, but jezz ! I am tired to see 13's and 14's MPG on a good day. Not planing to start a MPG battle again, yada yada... Just say'ng ! And when I was checking the MPG improvement of the hybrid Tundra vs gas, not so much. The Sequoia hybrid does better than previous gen, but who knows what is due to the hybrid and what is because the new everything else ! Man, I keep wishing the new LC Prado at least brings 20 MPG combined !
Good weekend to y'all !\
Cheers,
G
Yep… makes the whole hp difference between the two somewhat moot. A couple years from now for $1000 you’ll have some slick tunes available in the 500hp range
If you don't need T4R capability and want good fuel economy/reliability/utility, it's hard to beat a NA 2.5 Outback. I haven't used the touchscreen in a newer one; the previous generation (ended in 2019 I think) had a more button-centric infotainment system. The new Onxy edition, especially in green, looks great. If I could have only one vehicle (and no longer owned a camper
), it would be an Outback as they'll do just about everything fairly well.
Being nearly a month removed from my 4R I miss it in some ways. It had some charm to it, something I can't quite put my finger on. I find myself missing the overall size, the rear storage and 2nd row functionality, and having just enough tech but not being too overwhelming or invasive. It desperately needs a power train update though. I have no Subaru experience but have been curious about the WRX a time or two as a fun car. Getting back to GX talk I think the thing I dislike the most based on what we now know is how it grew in size physically. It will probably drive and handle better than the 200 Series but my favorite thing about the outgoing 150 platform was it being the sweet spot (for me at least) in overall dimensions.
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If I had to guess, I’d say that the GX550 engine is the same 389hp/479ft lb that is offered in the mid grade tundra engine choice lineup. They need to “detune” it on paper only as 389hp sounds way too close to 409hp from the much more expensive LX600. Doesn’t make Toyota sense (read: cost efficiency masters) to keep a 4th exclusive tune just for the GX; cheaper to just underrate it on paper and market it that way to the masses.
But who knows? Maybe by the same logic, it’s the same LX600 engine spec just detuned on paper.
If I had to guess, I’d say that the GX550 engine is the same 389hp/479ft lb that is offered in the mid grade tundra engine choice lineup. They need to “detune” it on paper only as 389hp sounds way too close to 409hp from the much more expensive LX600. Doesn’t make Toyota sense (read: cost efficiency masters) to keep a 4th exclusive tune just for the GX; cheaper to just underrate it on paper and market it that way to the masses.
But who knows? Maybe by the same logic, it’s the same LX600 engine spec just detuned on paper.
The base Tundra has the detuned engine. Screenshot from Toyota.com
Using the same base engine with different tunes is common for Toyota - the 4.6L V8 was used in the Tundra, Sequoia, GX460 and LS 460/GS460 all at different power/torque numbers.
My question is - IF the Land Cruiser prado we get in the states gets the same engine as the GX550, and assuming there is some top trim off road version that has all the same off road goodies, which one would you get?
My question is - IF the Land Cruiser prado we get in the states gets the same engine as the GX550, and assuming there is some top trim off road version that has all the same off road goodies, which one would you get?
Yup. That’s why I think the GX550 is the same tune as the mid-tier tundra engine, just marketed with 349 hp on paper so as to seem 60 hp lower than the LX600. If there are 3 tunes that already exist for the TTv6, doesn’t make sense that they would add a 4th.
Too soon to say, let's see the Land Cruiser first, we may be surprised with some good things.
It honestly would be great if the US LC also gets the V6.
It will perform excellent regardless of how much it really has.
Lots of future potential for more hp with some bolt ons/tunes in the future. Even in stock form, I expect it will be more than enough power for most folk. They are having fun already in the Middle East with the higher rated version of this engine in the 300s.
The powertrain is why I didn't buy a 5th gen 4Runner. It was the perfect size for me, but that engine and transmission? Ugh.
The 200 is bigger than I need. The GX460 interior, with 60 cu ft behind the front seats, is too small. The new GX is going to be the same size as my 200, bigger than I need. Sigh.
I can't answer that without seeing more information, pricing, etc.
well - this is the SPECULATION thread
well - this is the SPECULATION thread
I thought I heard a variant of the Mirai hydrogen fuel cell power plant may be an option
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