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I agree.
I thought it was all but official that the 4Runner was going back to being pickup based as it was for the 1st and 2nd gen.
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)
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I thought it was all but official that the 4Runner was going back to being pickup based as it was for the 1st and 2nd gen.
The 4Runner doesn't have 300 hp. It has 270. But that isn't what I don't like about it. Peak HP is just a single number -- it doesn't tell you about the power delivery. The 4.0 V6 doesn't have much low-end torque. So in order to accelerate, you need to get to higher RPMs and at higher RPMs the engine note is very coarse and loud. It's just unpleasant. The transmission also needs at least 1 more gear.
The 4.0 5th gen is just about as fast as my V8 4th gen 4Runner. But the difference is that V8 had a lot of low-end torque, so I could accelerate smartly with low RPMs, less throttle application, and very little noise. When you did push that V8, it was also much more refined than the 4.0.
The issue is the NVH and power delivery, not the peak HP.
Also, the fuel economy is poor for a mid-sized SUV (bad aerodynamics plus needs another gear).
It has always been "pickup" based. The 4th Gen 4Runner uses a derivative of the Tacoma or Hilux frame, same for the 5th gen.
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We will know soon enough, both the Overtrail and Luxury are upgrades from the Premium+. I lean toward the Luxury+ being the most expensive. It’s the one targeted at the Range Rover crowd.
Hiluxforever
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3rd gen through 5th gen were prado platform based.
I don't think there is such a thing as pickup based anymore. Everything from tundra to Tacoma and Sequoia to Fortuner will all share one platform. All the frames have the same design and size except length. The difference is in material thickness and type. Otherwise they're all the same.
I'm not sure anything but taco and Hilux will have leaf springs. I find it odd that Toyota is building Tacoma models with coils and some with leaf springs. But that seems like the only model plus maybe a Hilux that will have rear leaf springs.
I'm not sure anything but taco and Hilux will have leaf springs. I find it odd that Toyota is building Tacoma models with coils and some with leaf springs. But that seems like the only model plus maybe a Hilux that will have rear leaf springs.
Another point not mentioned on the 4R is I live in a very hilly part of Central Texas. The terrain are like mini mountains everywhere. It’s beautiful.
The 4R always seemed like it could never find the right gear to go up or down a large hill. Constantly had to floor it to get it to do anything. Just another example I guess related to power mapping of the V6 spoken previously. I towed with it once and said no more. If you live remotely where there’s no real traffic around you or behind you then it’s fine. But trying to assimilate into city/county traffic was a struggle.
I personally think Toyota should position the Land Cruiser against the Tahoe and the Sequoia against the Suburban (class and size wise, not quality or capability wise). LC being the Full Size SUV and the Sequoia being the Full Size + option.
Re: Broncos and Wranglers I think, if Toyota wants too compete, it should be with a new FJ Cruiser.
Re: Broncos and Wranglers I think, if Toyota wants too compete, it should be with a new FJ Cruiser.
Ekdss is really impressive. I think the 734 on license plate was an Easter egg for the RTI score. I think it's about 730 for the lc300 gr sport. It's really impressive.
I'm fairness, it's also a little high due to the short wheelbase so it comes with relatively poor approach and departure angles. Suspension travel is still better than the bronco and Wrangler. I'm really curious to see how it compares to the Tacoma with sway disconnects.
I'm hoping we can get Ekdss on both the 4Runner and Land Cruiser, but I will not hold my breath.
The other concern I have for the GX is overhangs, a detriment to the approach and departure angles.
The other concern I have for the GX is overhangs, a detriment to the approach and departure angles.
Yes. And you know what the Prado platform is based on? The Prado’s frame is based off a pickup.
Where did you find the LC300 RTI score?
I really don't think the license plate number was an Easter egg for anything honestly, because the GX in that photo wasn't even the overtrail version which as we know is the only version with E-KDSS
.... and I don't think the 250 will end up having a higher RTI than a 300.
I hope someone in Australia ends up doing an RTI comparison between them, that would be fun, or a full off road comparison. They probably might.
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The LC300 has better angles than the GX but from the LC250 teaser it looks like the LC250 has better angles than the GX.
From a visual POV you can clearly tell the overhangs are designed better than on the GX, I still feel though that they could be even better honestly.
Here is the comparison with the 250 added, you're right, they could be even better honestly.
I think the 4Runner will get the sway bar disconnect like the Tacoma.
Isn't that only on the Taco TRD Pro? So expensive top trim?
I believe it is on the Trailhunter as well. All 4Runners don't currently have KDSS so I don't expect them all to get the sway bar disconnect.
What I am really curious about is the TRD-OR models.
Speaking of expensive top trims, and I know it is bad manners to bring up money, but does anyone have a real idea of what these new Toys top trims are going to cost? Time to stop speculating and talk turkey. In Europe, clients are expecting a 3500 to 5000 euros price increase over 2023 Prado numbers. That would put the top trims of the Landcruiser 250 (ex Prado) at 80-85K euros or more. That is getting to be a pretty big pill to pay, don’t you think?
Toyota is not going to get Euro Landrover buyers to drop down because people buy Range Rover for a slew of reasons and none of them have anything to do with automotives. Toyota does not have the chic/snob appeal. The new LC250 is going to be too dear for middle range buyers who will likely take their euros elsewhere. And there is no 4Runner. Prado was the EU 4Runner.
Is there appetite for the LC250 and GX550 at elite boutique prices in the States? And please no low ball numbers for the L250 and GX. There is a good reason they are delaying revealing the price!
Toyota is not going to get Euro Landrover buyers to drop down because people buy Range Rover for a slew of reasons and none of them have anything to do with automotives. Toyota does not have the chic/snob appeal. The new LC250 is going to be too dear for middle range buyers who will likely take their euros elsewhere. And there is no 4Runner. Prado was the EU 4Runner.
Is there appetite for the LC250 and GX550 at elite boutique prices in the States? And please no low ball numbers for the L250 and GX. There is a good reason they are delaying revealing the price!
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Looking at US competition, GX pricing and 4Runner pricing, for the US, in US$, it is reasonable to expect the LC250 price range to be between $55K and $75K. They will be able to sell everyone they make.Speaking of expensive top trims, and I know it is bad manners to bring up money, but does anyone have a real idea of what these new Toys top trims are going to cost? Time to stop speculating and talk turkey. In Europe, clients are expecting a 3500 to 5000 euros price increase over 2023 Prado numbers. That would put the top trims of the Landcruiser 250 (ex Prado) at 80-85K euros or more. That is getting to be a pretty big pill to pay, don’t you think?
Toyota is not going to get Euro Landrover buyers to drop down because people buy Range Rover for a slew of reasons and none of them have anything to do with automotives. Toyota does not have the chic/snob appeal. The new LC250 is going to be too dear for middle range buyers who will likely take their euros elsewhere. And there is no 4Runner. Prado was the EU 4Runner.
Is there appetite for the LC250 and GX550 at elite boutique prices in the States? And please no low ball numbers for the L250 and GX. There is a good reason they are delaying revealing the price!
Prices are rarely revealed until closer to launch, lets them judge the market demand.
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