I disagree.
The 4Runner has always been very similar to the GX. With the LC 250 being a rebadged GX 550, then the 4Runner is going to be very similar to the LC 250 and there won't be much room between a top trim 4Runner and a bottom trim LC 250.
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The 4Runner has always been very similar to the GX. With the LC 250 being a rebadged GX 550, then the 4Runner is going to be very similar to the LC 250 and there won't be much room between a top trim 4Runner and a bottom trim LC 250.
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Let me take you out to the dunes and show you if the LX 600 is a real off road vehicle or a raV 4
.The LX 600 won't have less articulation than a 570 that's for sure, even without AHC, because that's the same suspension setup as the base 300 and that has excellent articulation. An actual ramp test would be an interesting test to do, maybe I'll do one someday!.
The LC300 being the flagship product, came first ( was the first TNGA-F product to be developed ), then everything else was developed around it.The top trim Prado in Japan is $51k USD. That's inline with the top trim 4runner. They're the same car with different sheet metal. Pricing is going to be nearly identical. Next generation, who knows
There are some price caps IMO. The bronco raptor is $85k, but it's realistically $20k away from a 350hp LC250. And the Sequoia TRD pro is 77k and it's the hybrid. The equivalent LC will be at least $5k less is my guess. Probably closer to $10k less. I think it tops out about $70k with ttv6. If it's only 4cyl - 65k max.
The LC is a reskinned lc300. So, is a reskinned, reskinned lc300 a real Land Cruiser if the 300 is really just a baby Sequoia anyway?
The 250/300 will evolve and develop in the future and will without a doubt remain for future generations. I hear an all electric GX successor is already in the early development stages ( mentioned on some forums).
The question is, will the Sequoia last beyond this generation?
Sales are so low compared to the 150/300 and without a doubt the 250 will end up selling more than the Sequoia too. They saved the Seq from the axe once, will they do it again?
We still don't have full year Seq sales because it hasn't been exactly a year since it went on sale, but I really have a feeling it won't survive a next gen.
My guess is, the LC300 replacement ( LC400) will grow in size a little, not a lot but think Y62 Patrol/US Armada size ( and soon Y63 ). With the LC250 being 300 sized, I see room for that to happen now, especially since a lot of LC300 owners are actually complaining it feels to tight inside.
All I can say is what a time to be BoF Toyota fan.
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I personally think the 4R should remain around its current size, lots of current GX/Prado owners may feel alienated by a product that in some aspects is even bigger than the LC300 (total width for example with those mirrors)
I know we like to make fun of the Prado for being a baby land cruiser, but sometimes a baby land cruiser is all you need! The new 250 is like the baby LC that got all the growth genes lol.
I would be surprised if the 4runner doesn't get some version of E-KDSS. It seems weird having such a nice system and then only having it on so little vehicle cross the range.
I am not gonna lie, this thing is taking ages to be revealed. It is almost August, in a few months manufacturers will be unveiling 2025 Models and we still didn't see the 2024 LC....
That is so expensive. I think it will definitely be priced better in the US.
You guys actually get decent pricing compared to alot of markets, even us in the Middle East, if we compare the highest spec LX 600 for example in the US, it is cheaper than our Highest spec LX by a lot.
Precisely. The top trim 4Runner today is $55K, and people want to say the lower trim LC250 will be $55K? That does not work… even if the LC250 is $60 or $65K unless they are essentially the same vehicles. So the Tahara team will continue to mix and match to come up with three models that are essentially the same moving forward. Great! It seems like a probable explanation.
The Sequoia was designed on a budget and that hurts it. It has a solid rear axle, reducing third row space compared to the Tahoekonburbanalislade. I think that was a bad mistake which will significantly hurt it in the US market.
I remember reading some place that they actually had bigger plans for the Tundra/Seqouia a separate HD platform @Jetboy I think mentioned this too in the past once.
They eventually had to kill it in favor of going with the LC300 platform and apparently that is where things went south in some ways. Not because the LC300 platform is bad, but because they had other plans that suit the Tundra/Seqouia. The LC300 is an excellent platform for the vehicle its meant to be, and other vehicle smaller than it but having an oversized Land Cruiser sometimes isn't the best answer, especially if they knew they could make it better for its intended market.
I think the new Seq also actually lost some interior space compared to the outgoing version if I am not mistaken.
I think if they sold the Seq in the Middle East they could get some sales, maybe even better than current US sales but they are also afraid it might clash with LC300 sales.
I hope it does remain at its current size, but that would result in a major break away from the GX/Prado, to which it has always been closely related. That would require a much greater investment from Toyota than doing a GX rebadge with a lesser powertrain. Time will tell. I'm not optimistic that it will stay the same size as the 5th Gen.
The solid rear axle greatly reduces space in the rear compared to the previous Sequoia that had an IRS.
I caught an interview with Toyota US employees and they basically had to convince Toyota Japan to keep the Sequoia. As a result, they had a limited budget and didn't have enough investment to modify the frame and add an IRS. It is very closely related to the Tundra.
I feel 4R owners are very loyal to the 4R though, I still wouldn't be surprised if this thing ends up selling more than the GX/LC250 combined in the US market.
Agreed. The 4Runner will continue to outsell GX + LC.
2022 US sales 4Runner: 121,000
2021 US sales Land Cruiser: 3,700
2022 US sales GX 460: 30,000
I don't see any way that US Land Cruiser + GX sales will get anywhere near 120k sales.
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Look familiar? This is it. Same lines as the 550. Showed us a major hint.
Yes. There is just something about the 4Runner that is hard to define, an x factor, a “je ne sais quoi” that has given it almost cult status. I was in States a few months ago and the streets are literally clogged with 4Runners. It has an odd, rounded shape and, yet, it looks great. In a way, it reminds me of the holy grail Porsche 356: odd, round and sublime. The new 4Runner is sure to be squared off and boxed up, I just hope the Tahara team does not throw the baby out with the bath water.
I hope that is just a horrid render from some blogger.
TheRealDeal124
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Lets not forget that 2021 LC sales numbers were unsustainable so the line was pulled from NA
So, they're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than 3700
Time will tell but if the offering follows the same formula of being a lexus lite school bus that they're going to see a fundamental change in sales pattern
Looks like a lego concept car collided with an FJ Cruiser
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