2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion
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I don't think they will only have one trim level for the US.
The sad reality is your US LC in its highest trim will probably cost more than a gcc spec LC300 & and no I'm not talking 1GR 300s, I am talking v6 twin (diesel/petrol). More powerful engines than what you will get in the 250 LC.
LEXUS GX is the 252 series.
Land Cruiser Prado (if it even is still called that) is the 250 series.
I don't see how that won't be the same as the 300/310 Toy/Lex relation.
The sad reality is your US LC in its highest trim will probably cost more than a gcc spec LC300 & and no I'm not talking 1GR 300s, I am talking v6 twin (diesel/petrol). More powerful engines than what you will get in the 250 LC.
LEXUS GX is the 252 series.
Land Cruiser Prado (if it even is still called that) is the 250 series.
I don't see how that won't be the same as the 300/310 Toy/Lex relation.
I was joking. I think the seats are a gimmick. But maybe they're great and I'll eat my words.
I prefer ambulance doors. But they've been gone from North America for ages.
I'm not sure. But that's what I've read. Prado and 4runner stay true to mission and remain twins with different skin. LC and GX are not shared with Prado in the same way prior GX was just a mild facelift. Otherwise why have a Prado and lc300 that are now functionally identical?
I do agree having the 250/300 so similarly sized is odd, but after seeing the engine options on the new 250, it won't affect lc300 sales in any market where they sell side by side...maybe except Japan?
I also don't doubt the 250 will also get crazy fleet sales. Its cheaper at the end of the day and that's what matters.
In the past lots of people got the Prado because it was smaller and more nimble. Now they are almost the same size and same platform (one though is a flagship with better engines and the other is more retro styled) I think in many markets for the personal consumer, engine will win the day over styling especially if pricing isn't far off.
I also think going forward with future updates the LC300 will assume its role as flagship TNGA-F product at a higher scale even.
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I'm not entirely sure it's the flagship now. Sequoia and Tundra are both significantly more powerful and have heavier duty drivetrain. And the new crown SUV will be 4 times as expensive as the lc300. That puts the lc300 in a bit of an odd place being potentially down market to the Sequoia and crown. The LX is still more expensive, but if there was a Lexus Sequoia I'm not sure there's any doubt it would sit above the LX. Hard to see much future for the 300 if the Prado realy is the same size and shares the same powertrain.
I have been inside the highest spec Seqouia and while it has a nicer screen and some flashy touches here and there. It felt of lower quality in some areas vs the LC300.
No denying one bit the LC300 was of better perceivable quality when side by side.
Things will eventually reorder themselves when the lx700h comes out.
Also I think you mean century suv right? Luxury wise yeah i don't doubt it'll be the be the overall Toyota flagship alongside the century sedan ...but won't it end up being based on the highlander platform or something?
The LC300 is not going anywhere.
Also they won't share any powertrains (exception of detuned twin 6 on GX)
The detuned twin 6 isn't even confirmed for the US LC.
If you go back a few pages I shared the engines that will be available on the global Prado.
The lc300 has better engines.
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Yes. Century!
The Sequoia has more power, but also a bigger HD transfer case, bigger rear axle, etc. It's just an HD version of the ga-f platform. The Tundra didn't get a 50% higher tow rating than the lc300 for nothing. Interior is hard to compare since there aren't any similar trims between them that I can look at.
The ttv6 is the base tundra engine. I'm not sure it's much of a halo engine. But it's definitely on brand for Toyota to underpower it's SUVs. Won't be a surprise if they neuter the new LC. Ford will still build what I want if Toyota won't.
I don't know how the lc300 will fit the battery given how small it is inside already. And I'm curious what they'll use for a transfer case. I don't think there are any transfer cases in the Aisin family that have a center differential that can manage the torque. Either a new case or?? Either way it should be good news for the tundra and Sequoia if they also get an AWD option. It may very well be the case that the hybrid 300 is a the 4cyl not the V6.
Lx700h hybrid is rumored to be more powerful than the Seqouia hybrid. Again rumored...could be the same, could even be a upgraded version. We know it's coming for sure but everything else regarding power is still speculation at this point.
Maybe it'll be really impressive powertrain. I'm curious to see how they fit it and what they do underneath to upgrade the drivetrain.
I tend to think adding another 100hp and 600lbs isn't going to add much value. It has plenty of power now with the ttv6 for the mission of being a utility SUV that can drive long distance, tow decent size caravan, and go off-road on most trails. A slightly quicker 0-60 doesn't mean much to the purpose of the LC. And it's too small to be a great tow vehicle. There's only so much you can safely pull with such a short wheelbase. But maybe it'll make it better on the highway or quiet in town or
.25-30mpg would be a more meaningful upgrade. At least in North America where the diesel isn't available.
Maybe not the correct thread for this, but since we are talking future products.
A photo that was found on a Japanese twitter account (looks like some sort of dash cam screenshot) shows what supposedly is the updated 2024 70 series ( in this case 76 ) being tested on public roads in Japan before its release later this year ( 70 series is being reintroduced to local JDM market again)
Not sure if the updates will be available all around the world in the other markets or this will only be for the jdm Market, but you can barely make out behind the camo and blurry pic that it'll have a restyled front end/new bumpers/wheels. It will supposedly have the (1GD engine) 2.8 turbo diesel as well as an automatic transmission & who knows what else
Exciting times ahead.
A photo that was found on a Japanese twitter account (looks like some sort of dash cam screenshot) shows what supposedly is the updated 2024 70 series ( in this case 76 ) being tested on public roads in Japan before its release later this year ( 70 series is being reintroduced to local JDM market again)
Not sure if the updates will be available all around the world in the other markets or this will only be for the jdm Market, but you can barely make out behind the camo and blurry pic that it'll have a restyled front end/new bumpers/wheels. It will supposedly have the (1GD engine) 2.8 turbo diesel as well as an automatic transmission & who knows what else
Exciting times ahead.
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So Toyota is reintroducing into Japan a newly designed FJ70 Landcruiser that will use the frame, motorization and automatic transmission of the Prado, but the suspension and body design of the FJ70. Let that sink in. Toyota is reintroducing into the US a newly designed Landcruiser that unfounded rumors say will be a strong Heritage version FJ40/70 based on the Prado. Now sit down, let your pulse return to normal. Are these two Landcruisers, one for Japan and one for the US, one and the same?
ランクル70復活ほぼ確定!! 「丸目＋2.8ディーゼル」で2023年秋発表か 待望の再販が待ちきれない!! - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」 - https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/586105
ランクル70復活ほぼ確定!! 「丸目＋2.8ディーゼル」で2023年秋発表か 待望の再販が待ちきれない!! - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」 - https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/586105
The frame is not going to have anything to do with the new Prado. It's still a 70x series and whatever updates it gets will be based on that.
The closest Prado relative to the 76 is the first Prado of the early 90s.
The new 250 Prado is an entirely different vehicle.
I expect the US LC body to be inspired by older LC design including older Prados but you guys all know that by now.
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Those photos are of the current version ^
The 70 never ceased production. We have been getting it every year since 1985.
The only difference now is its returning to the jdm Market again for the first time since 2014 and it will get a refresh and a new engine/transmission and who knows what else.
None of these photos are of that refresh.
The 70 never ceased production. We have been getting it every year since 1985.
The only difference now is its returning to the jdm Market again for the first time since 2014 and it will get a refresh and a new engine/transmission and who knows what else.
None of these photos are of that refresh.
This article dropped today. The new FJ70 is now being road tested. Full announcement due late 2023. (a coincidence?)
bestcarweb.jp
ランクル70再再販モデルついに公道に!! リアサスはリーフ確定か……ナナマルはプラドと別格になる - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」
ベストカーWebがスクープ情報を先行してお届けしているランクル70の再再販モデル。ついに公道テストの様子を捉えた!! 大人の事情で写真は公開できないのだが、ベストカーWebではリアサスの形状も捉えた。やっぱりナナマルすげーぞ!! 文：ベス…
Well..guess it's going to be hard to argue if your bezel is upside down or now....really digging the 70!
@malden and all, thank you for the link post, I will say, not everything is based on "unfounded rumors". Here is the text from the Google Translate page, it is much more understandable reading the full text. Note "Rankle" and "Nanamaru" are Japanese model names for their 70 series. Also note, when listening or reading Asian language translations, they often do not use the plural "s" so their "fender" is our "fenders". Of course, the diesel will never make it to the US and likewise, I doubt the 6AT transmission is what we will see, more likely the 8 or 10 speed.
*I've put an asterisk on items below that align with my Plano Grapevine source. The mention of "separate fender" aligns with my 40 series speculation that was validated by my Plano grapevine source. The source sent me a PM about this post, over on one of the 4Runner forums, stating "Your speculation in post 719 is pretty reasonable". If you read my last sentence in that post you will understand why they reached out to me. Yes, I've verified the validity of the source through backchannels and non-public information. Since then, I've learned of other tidbits and breadcrumbs, including the fall 2023 reveal comment, although I will not be more specific on month as I know schedules can change. Let's just say, stay tuned for teasers to start in July or August.
BestCarWeb Japan January 25, 2023 scoop (via Google translate)
*I've put an asterisk on items below that align with my Plano Grapevine source. The mention of "separate fender" aligns with my 40 series speculation that was validated by my Plano grapevine source. The source sent me a PM about this post, over on one of the 4Runner forums, stating "Your speculation in post 719 is pretty reasonable". If you read my last sentence in that post you will understand why they reached out to me. Yes, I've verified the validity of the source through backchannels and non-public information. Since then, I've learned of other tidbits and breadcrumbs, including the fall 2023 reveal comment, although I will not be more specific on month as I know schedules can change. Let's just say, stay tuned for teasers to start in July or August.
BestCarWeb Japan January 25, 2023 scoop (via Google translate)
The very first LC. as in the most Heritage LC. was an offroad beast built for off roaders. Today Toyota has the SUV market for soccer moms, Costco shoppers, commuters, campers, cyclists, bird watchers, fishermen, hunters, interstate travelers, movers etc etc, they have that market covered seven times over to sunset. Be open minded now, and tune out all the self assured fake “insider info.” Does Toyota need to release another poseur SUV right now? Will another poseur SUV challenge Bronco, Rubicon, Grenadier, faux Defender? Or might a real “Heritage” release LC (it is coming) be something that will track right over those four and leave them piles of smoldering metal and plastic? My instincts tell me we are in for a surprise, a “low volume”, as Heritage as you can get, and maybe limited edition surprise. A surprise for the one class of driver that has been left by the side of the road all these years, Offroaders!
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