This is hilarious to me. Over in the 300 room we have guys that are like "no panaramic sunroof? I'm out. No split tail gate? Toyota has lost its way". Here it's this roll down rear window thing.
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This is hilarious to me. Over in the 300 room we have guys that are like "no panaramic sunroof? I'm out. No split tail gate? Toyota has lost its way". Here it's this roll down rear window thing.
Zjohnsonua
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I'll bring more craziness... What I would have done to have seen a tailgate, with roll down rear glass. Goes way back to the 55 series (sorry, 4runner fellas, y'all got it second) and is part of what makes those trucks so cool. Toyota has lost its way, but they did it long ago.
Only Hybrid?
Ghey.
Ghey.
Yah seem silly.
Not even real hybrid, more like electric assist. Id rather have less weight and less failure points. Dont really need to extra hp.
I had a 4 runner for 15 years. I rolled that window down every single day of it’s life with the front windows cracked. Goat airflow. Dogs love it too - just saying the roll down cargo window is money and they dropped it. All good on my end.
I wonder why the LC300 and Sequoia now no longer offer fore/aft adjustment of the 2nd row? It seems like a missed opportunity, esp in the new Sequoia where the 3rd row can slide.
Yeah, I meant that the new Sequoia TRD Pro is more capable than the outgoing Sequoia TRD Pro, not that the new Sequoia (in any form) is more off road capable than the new LC 300 Series (or any LC).
I almost wonder if Toyota is pushing for these 300 vs Sequoia articles here in the states because I was doing some googling about the 2023 Sequoia and there are already several articles about how new Sequoia might be just as good as the Land Cruiser 300. Bet when it comes time the comparisons between the two will be very well controlled if press wants a early test drive.
If I was in market for a new 2022 3 row full size SUV I would buy this new Sequoia over the other options in market. The why, it is a Toyota, it is using the shared frame with LC and Tundra, rear solid axle, 9000lb tow rating. Which one would I get probably the TRD assuming I can get it with out the stupid camo pattern all over everything.
However I am not in market and I will be keeping my 2016 LC for at least 20+ years I hope.
However I am not in market and I will be keeping my 2016 LC for at least 20+ years I hope.
If you buy a 2022 Sequoia and expect the new hotness, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
I realize it's based on the Tundra but it didn't click for me that it has the Tundra's 10.5" rear differential instead of the LC's 9.5", and of course has a transfer case instead of permanent AWD:
This thing has really given me some mixed feelings, and if I replace my current Sequoia it would be for a 2021/2022 4x4 model.
What I use the truck for is hauling kids and sports equipment. My 2nd Gen with the fold-down (flat) rear seats, it provided the greatest amount of room and flexibility.
The 3rd row seats in 2023 are hilariously bad for what I need. Especially for my short wife and kids. The raised deck layout just makes it harder for my kids and wife to get things into and out of the truck. What is the load rating of that little shelf anyway, it looks flimsy?
Something my wife would hate is she lives by those cargo nets to keep things from rolling out on her, but the hooks for it look too low to be useful compared to the deck height in this picture.
Also, rear-seat comfort was a major plus in the 2nd gen model. I could fit 8 adults inside with comfort.
As for the engine, the "hybrid" seems like it needs an asterisk. I don't need a very heavy and expensive to service or replace gadget. Bad enough to ditch a dependable powerplant like the 5.7 to go to a turbocharged v6, especially when that was touted as a great "HP to weight" conservation...then to add extra weight for a battery and electric motor...SMH. What is the "range" on the electric part? Did I read it only provides 48HP? For how many miles?
For me, the sequoia was a great, primitive, and reliable full-size SUV in today's "gadget" driven market. I don't need more crap that, when it breaks, ruins the total experience.
Overall I'm pretty split on this. There are things I do really like but, just like I am not keen on the newest iteration of the 4runner, this Sequoia isn't going to be in my driveway.
What I use the truck for is hauling kids and sports equipment. My 2nd Gen with the fold-down (flat) rear seats, it provided the greatest amount of room and flexibility.
The 3rd row seats in 2023 are hilariously bad for what I need. Especially for my short wife and kids. The raised deck layout just makes it harder for my kids and wife to get things into and out of the truck. What is the load rating of that little shelf anyway, it looks flimsy?
Something my wife would hate is she lives by those cargo nets to keep things from rolling out on her, but the hooks for it look too low to be useful compared to the deck height in this picture.
Also, rear-seat comfort was a major plus in the 2nd gen model. I could fit 8 adults inside with comfort.
As for the engine, the "hybrid" seems like it needs an asterisk. I don't need a very heavy and expensive to service or replace gadget. Bad enough to ditch a dependable powerplant like the 5.7 to go to a turbocharged v6, especially when that was touted as a great "HP to weight" conservation...then to add extra weight for a battery and electric motor...SMH. What is the "range" on the electric part? Did I read it only provides 48HP? For how many miles?
For me, the sequoia was a great, primitive, and reliable full-size SUV in today's "gadget" driven market. I don't need more crap that, when it breaks, ruins the total experience.
Overall I'm pretty split on this. There are things I do really like but, just like I am not keen on the newest iteration of the 4runner, this Sequoia isn't going to be in my driveway.
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I was hoping to upgrade my current 2021 Sequoia, but not likely now. Why? It looks like it was designed by a guy with 4+ kids who wants to park in the Hybrid spot at the mall.
1) The hybrid motor which is not a traditional hybrid motor but more of electric assist. Too much weight and too many failure points and design changes for so little horsepower gain. I am fine with the HP on the 5.7, I just would have liked better mpg in the form turbo6 without the electric motor like you can get on the Tundra. A true hybrid would have been awesome but this is useless.
2) I do not have 4/5/6 kids (and neither does 86% of America). No need for a 3rd row. What I do need is cargo space and room for my dog. So unless there is 3rd row delete, this does not work. That goofy raised floor and inability to lie flat shows they gave little thought to what a typical American family needs.
Very disappointed, an upgrade was going to be sure thing.
1) The hybrid motor which is not a traditional hybrid motor but more of electric assist. Too much weight and too many failure points and design changes for so little horsepower gain. I am fine with the HP on the 5.7, I just would have liked better mpg in the form turbo6 without the electric motor like you can get on the Tundra. A true hybrid would have been awesome but this is useless.
2) I do not have 4/5/6 kids (and neither does 86% of America). No need for a 3rd row. What I do need is cargo space and room for my dog. So unless there is 3rd row delete, this does not work. That goofy raised floor and inability to lie flat shows they gave little thought to what a typical American family needs.
Very disappointed, an upgrade was going to be sure thing.
Dilspec
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What's the old saying...
You can't please everyone.
You can't please everyone.
Yes but I was hoping they would try to please 200,000 or so, like Chevy/Ford, instead of 8000..........
I’m not even sure why they didnt do the flip up rear seats like the 100 series. That’d have been a pretty neat feature.
I do like the cockpit and the layout for the center console. The exterior styling is aggressive and bold. Seems like the first and second rows are well thought out.
I do like the cockpit and the layout for the center console. The exterior styling is aggressive and bold. Seems like the first and second rows are well thought out.
What if it is more capable than the 300?
The way it looks - it might be. Sequoia lacks KDSS and the front locker option.
But presumably has longer travel suspension - same as the 200 series with tundra control arms. Probably has about 2" more travel up front. And the wider bigger rear axle. And the fox bypass shocks > $35 twin tubes.
Does that add up to better than KDSS performance? Maybe. I think on high speed stuff yes. On low speed probably not. Highway Probably favors KDSS is my guess. But the Sequoia gets a lot more power and visually the highest trim interior of the siblings.
The tundra 3" lift should also fit the Sequoia. I think we'll see a lot of Sequoias on 35-37" tires.
My prediction - Sequoia will cost more at every comparable trim level. We'll know in a few weeks. Base lc300 is $46k. But that's with a 1GR. The base LC goes a lot lower spec than the Sequoia probably will. GR sport LC300 is $70,433. Base Sequoia I'm guessing will be $55-60. And I'm guessing capstone is $95k - a bit above the base LX600. I'd bet the TRD pro will be more than $70k for the comparable gr sport.
My bet is the lack of AWD is because there's no AWD transfer that can handle the torque. The Borg Warner TOD isn't really made for more that occasional use and the aisin is probably not strong enough. So it didn't get AWD. Might also explain why there's still no hybrid LC 300. Just a guess. I was surprised not to see a non hybrid AWD model. Very interested to see what mpg numbers are.
The way it looks - it might be. Sequoia lacks KDSS and the front locker option.
But presumably has longer travel suspension - same as the 200 series with tundra control arms. Probably has about 2" more travel up front. And the wider bigger rear axle. And the fox bypass shocks > $35 twin tubes.
Does that add up to better than KDSS performance? Maybe. I think on high speed stuff yes. On low speed probably not. Highway Probably favors KDSS is my guess. But the Sequoia gets a lot more power and visually the highest trim interior of the siblings.
The tundra 3" lift should also fit the Sequoia. I think we'll see a lot of Sequoias on 35-37" tires.
My prediction - Sequoia will cost more at every comparable trim level. We'll know in a few weeks. Base lc300 is $46k. But that's with a 1GR. The base LC goes a lot lower spec than the Sequoia probably will. GR sport LC300 is $70,433. Base Sequoia I'm guessing will be $55-60. And I'm guessing capstone is $95k - a bit above the base LX600. I'd bet the TRD pro will be more than $70k for the comparable gr sport.
My bet is the lack of AWD is because there's no AWD transfer that can handle the torque. The Borg Warner TOD isn't really made for more that occasional use and the aisin is probably not strong enough. So it didn't get AWD. Might also explain why there's still no hybrid LC 300. Just a guess. I was surprised not to see a non hybrid AWD model. Very interested to see what mpg numbers are.
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Would be shocked if the capstone was $95k, as I think they would have priced themselves out of the market at that price point. My guess is $80k for the capstone, with the trd pro slightly lower.
Agree. 95k is Lexus territory
