2023 Toyota Sequoia - 3rd Generation REVEALED (2 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

Would be shocked if the capstone was $95k, as I think they would have priced themselves out of the market at that price point. My guess is $80k for the capstone, with the trd pro slightly lower.

Current Platinum Sequoia is $70k before any options. Going with the $8-10 price bump the tundra got plus say $2500 hybrid on top puts the platinum starting price at $80-85k. Capstone is going to be above that. Hard to see it be much less than $90k starting MSRP. Not sure what options it'll have if any. If the TRD OR is an option is another $3-5k. That'll get to$95 range. That's my prediction. I think we'll see pricing Feb 1.

I actually think there's a chance it'll also come in as the range topping Lexus SUV above the LX600. They've been begging for a full size SUV. This would probably be it. Hard to see it not sitting above the LX 600 if it does.

I hope I'm wrong. My wife wants one to replace her RX if it's in the mpg ballpark. I'd much rather it be $70k. But I'm not optimistic.i was hoping for $70k in softex trim whatever that is. Softex holds up so much better than leather it's my first choice of it can be matched with most of the rest of the higher trim options.

 

[m4hk33]

I had a Gen 1, and am in the market for a new vehicle, Was considering a 200 series. Aslo considering a 2500 GMC, We also have New Yukons as fleet vehicles.and honestly, I really like the new Sequoia. Its more interesting than the Gen 2 for me. The cargo area set up is a bit odd, I wonder if the 3rd row can be pulled? even so I think it will work. I like that its built of the TNG so platform so it should have a ton of aftermarket support.

I don't quite feel that its the North American Land cruiser but I don't really see anything in the LX that could be considered a game changer that would warrant the 50k or so premium.

For light Off roading/overlanding I think it works well. For Pure Off roading, I think that there are better tools out there. I think a set of good 35's will take care of most wierd stuff that I may come into contact with

 

[gixxerjasen]

I don't quite feel that its the North American Land cruiser

I wonder what percentage of North American Land Cruisers ever see something other than pavement or very well cared for dirt roads for the first five or so years. I'd bet it's very low, and as such, the new Sequoia could very well be the North American LC.

 

[LCHOU]

Platinum trim at the Houston Auto show

 

[Proven]

I wonder what percentage of North American Land Cruisers ever see something other than pavement or very well cared for dirt roads for the first five or so years. I'd bet it's very low, and as such, the new Sequoia could very well be the North American LC.

This to be honest. This feels like MrT gave the USA a Cruiser-lite since it wouldn’t send the full version.

 

[Patassa]

Whew, really hope for Toyotas sake that the wastegate problem doesn't affect the Sequoia also.

 

[vantage78]

Whew, really hope for Toyotas sake that the wastegate problem doesn't affect the Sequoia also.

What exactly is going on with the wastegate? Wouldn’t it affect all users of the TT3.5?

 

[URJ150L]

What exactly is going on with the wastegate? Wouldn’t it affect all users of the TT3.5?

There are reports of a few people getting a cel and limp mode with the code reading a waste gate problem… hard to tell how widespread it is at this point.

There was one guy who's trying to lemon law the truck because it’s an engine out service and parts are on back order with a one month plus lead time. There’s also a pic out there of a new tundra with the cab lifted off the frame so the engine is exposed as part of the repair process.

I heard that the issue is not actually the waste gate but something else causing the waste gate code to trip, so the problem really isn’t that… not sure if that’s true or not.

I guess we’ll see.

 

[Patassa]

What exactly is going on with the wastegate? Wouldn’t it affect all users of the TT3.5?

One theory is : It appears to be the actuator that opens the waste gate valve to let off excess pressure. It's failing to actuate and staying closed so the engine is going into limp mode to prevent over spooling the turbo from the excess pressure. Due to the location of the turbo units, they have to remove the body from the frame to make the repair/replacement. If all that is true, it's making people nervous about future repairs even if there is no premature failure, ex. I can't remove a body from a frame in my home garage. Its possible it's just a bad batch of components or actuators or who knows and won't affect the LC/Sequoia/LX or even a meaningful number of Tundras. More to come I guess.

 

[Jetboy]

As a former owner of powerstroke (that broke down... a lot) the turbo issues are a big concern for me. Cab off access means $2k starting for any repair just to pull the cab. And you can't diy much unless you have 16' ceilings in your garage and an A/C evac and recharge setup.

Not being field repairable is a big change for tundra and v35a Land cruisers. Serviceability had always been a big advantage for Toyota trucks and kept cost of ownership low. What do you do if you're in a remote place and the turbo goes south - get the high lift out and jack the cab up? start walking? That's how it went with my Ford before I sold it - don't go anywhere you can't get a tow truck and an Uber. I'm a little surprised Toyota didn't engineer the default to open both waste gates and run normally aspirated so a turbo failure wasn't a complete dead on side of road situation.

I expected Toyota's turbo systems to be a lot more reliable. But I'm nervous for sure. Early failures aren't confidence inspiring. Especially after having close to two decades to figure it out. Hopefully this is an easy resolution. Turbo units are $4,661 each. A 5.7 short block is $3,902. You can do the math on long term cost to own if the turbos are problematic.

 

[macdaddy59]

Yep! I do not need a new truck as my 2000 Tundra still rocks but I am purchasing a 2020 Tundra 4 x 4 this week to avoid the words turbo, waste gate, cab removal, and I am screwed. I just want a good ol reliable Toyota to go another 22 yrs with normal maintenance that I can do myself.

 

[goodnightnyc]

Yep! I do not need a new truck as my 2000 Tundra still rocks but I am purchasing a 2020 Tundra 4 x 4 this week to avoid the words turbo, waste gate, cab removal, and I am screwed. I just want a good ol reliable Toyota to go another 22 yrs with normal maintenance that I can do myself.

I recently bought a ‘22 Sequoia for similar reasons. I wanted the “outdated” simple tech and reliable V8. It’s a very thirsty engine but I feel confident it will last a very long time with just regular maintenance.

I’m sure Toyota will eventually figure out these turbo issues but it’s still not very reassuring. A major reason I was drawn to the Sequoia was that it’s a simple, honest SUV. Looks like the landscape has changed drastically with the new models. Doesn’t seem like many cars are engineered to last for decades anymore, but that’s probably not what most consumers want anyway.

 

[onemanarmy]

Yep! I do not need a new truck as my 2000 Tundra still rocks but I am purchasing a 2020 Tundra 4 x 4 this week to avoid the words turbo, waste gate, cab removal, and I am screwed. I just want a good ol reliable Toyota to go another 22 yrs with normal maintenance that I can do myself.

Lets hope we get a non-hybrid and/or a non-turbo version after all the flashy car show models have sucked in new buyers.

No turbo, no electric assist , 5.x V8 with light parts for fuel efficiency (lighter than the 5.7), a tuned 8 speed for fuel efficiency, more extensive use of aluminum, slightly less wide, maybe even no 100lb spare tire (but a place for it), and no third row ....now you're talking!

OH....and $10K cheaper! Where you at Toyota?

 

[JohnPW]

Lets hope we get a non-hybrid and/or a non-turbo version after all the flashy car show models have sucked in new buyers.

No turbo (far less complex), no electric assist (lighter and less complex), 5.x V8 with light parts for fuel efficiency (lighter than the 5.7), a tuned 8 speed for fuel efficiency, and no third row (lighter).....now you're talking!

OH....and $10K cheaper! Where you at Toyota?

Zero chance we will get a non turbo version. Turbo motors and 10 speed transmissions are to meet CAFE mileage requirements, which are only getting worse. It’s what every car builder is going towards, until all electric takes over.

If you want a NA motor with an 8 speed, buy it used now.

 

[onemanarmy]

10 speed is fine. Its still an automatic trans....we've pretty much figured those out now.

OR....we stand up against these stupid rules, enacted by the very people we elect, that make our lives more complex and more expensive?

Now I'm just dreaming...sorry.

 

[m4hk33]

I wonder what percentage of North American Land Cruisers ever see something other than pavement or very well cared for dirt roads for the first five or so years. I'd bet it's very low, and as such, the new Sequoia could very well be the North American LC.

I would say single digits and that is being generous, The biggest issue was how it marketed in the US. While $48K version of the 200 seriers are all over the middle east Toyota in the infinite window decided our only option was base model, no option model at $90k, and just like in the Middle east where it is not uncommon for to see somebody beating the **** out of a 48k 200 series, people in the US will beat the **** out of a 50k Jeep. Toyota price the 200 series at a price point in the US that there were far better tools available to go off road in, I.E, Rubicon or Raptor.

With that being said, both the LC and the Sequoia are locked into the TNG platform so IMO there is only so much Toyota Japan is going to be able to do to distinguish the LC badge outside of cosmetics. The LC will still have stuff like KDSS, that might make it a little more capable, but how much that matters is going to depend on the end user.

 

[vantage78]

Current Platinum Sequoia is $70k before any options. Going with the $8-10 price bump the tundra got plus say $2500 hybrid on top puts the platinum starting price at $80-85k. Capstone is going to be above that. Hard to see it be much less than $90k starting MSRP. Not sure what options it'll have if any. If the TRD OR is an option is another $3-5k. That'll get to$95 range. That's my prediction. I think we'll see pricing Feb 1.

I actually think there's a chance it'll also come in as the range topping Lexus SUV above the LX600. They've been begging for a full size SUV. This would probably be it. Hard to see it not sitting above the LX 600 if it does.

I hope I'm wrong. My wife wants one to replace her RX if it's in the mpg ballpark. I'd much rather it be $70k. But I'm not optimistic.i was hoping for $70k in softex trim whatever that is. Softex holds up so much better than leather it's my first choice of it can be matched with most of the rest of the higher trim options.

Looks like the Tundra Capstone was announced at $73.5k MSRP, hybrid power only, 21-22 MPG combined (rated). Hopefully this bodes well for the Sequoia….

 

[Jetboy]

I would say single digits and that is being generous, The biggest issue was how it marketed in the US. While $48K version of the 200 seriers are all over the middle east Toyota in the infinite window decided our only option was base model, no option model at $90k, and just like in the Middle east where it is not uncommon for to see somebody beating the f*** out of a 48k 200 series, people in the US will beat the f*** out of a 50k Jeep. Toyota price the 200 series at a price point in the US that there were far better tools available to go off road in, I.E, Rubicon or Raptor.

With that being said, both the LC and the Sequoia are locked into the TNG platform so IMO there is only so much Toyota Japan is going to be able to do to distinguish the LC badge outside of cosmetics. The LC will still have stuff like KDSS, that might make it a little more capable, but how much that matters is going to depend on the end user.

I think this is spot on. Toyota killed the Land Cruiser in the USA by only offering one trim. And it was the wrong trim.

Many (most??) Land Cruisers globally also don't have KDSS right? I recall it being an option in some markets. Not sure what the percentage of sales have it. Other than that I don't see anything, at least on paper, that would distinguish the LC from the Sequoia other than the Sequoia being bigger and having the HD transfer case and rear axle.

The next gen 4runner is the really interesting unknown at this point. Toyota keeps making it bigger while keeping the LC the same. They've been on a collision course for the last few generations. If the 4R gets any bigger and shares the platform of the LC 300 they'll have to be really similar. Toyota could just take a gxl trim LC300 put some 4R cosmetics on it and a turbo 4 hybrid under the hood and have the next 4R. I'm guessing that's gotta be pretty close to the formula.

 

[Jetboy]

Looks like the Tundra Capstone was announced at $73.5k MSRP, hybrid power only, 21-22 MPG combined (rated). Hopefully this bodes well for the Sequoia….

It's less than I expected. I assume that's 2wd? So $76k for 4x4. I looked up the old Sequoia vs tundra and it was a $17k difference. So that would put the 4x4 Sequoia capstone at $93k. Lower then my guess by a little bit.

Mpg is pretty disappointing to me. I think the hybrid will be pretty low volume seller in the tundra. 1-2mpg for $3500? And it doesn't really do anything for towing because the battery is too small for any sustained power output. No help on long grades. Just faster 0-60 times. I was expecting more like 25mpg. Tundra is a 2015 update that's 7-8 years late.

Edit: looks like capstone is 4x4 only. So the translation to Sequoia would be $90.5k. plus $1,600 "destination fee". Feels more and more like a true domestic!

 

[Umbrarian]

Am I missing something with this electric motor? It is my understanding it is an assist motor and the main engine is always on. The electric never runs on its own which is where you would see a decent boost on mileage. Like on Prius Hybrid.

This offers really nothing other than a little more torque to increase 0-60 times.