I've run Black Bear pass twice over the past couple years, super easy cool trail! We had several stock 200's with us that did just fine. Def a trail worth running for the views and ya do get to have one little pucker moment on the cliffs
2008 vs. 2013 Buying Thoughts?
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I think everyone has made some good points. To me, if you have the money it doesn't make sense to go for the older model, as long as you're getting FMV and the truck is at least a few years old (initial depreciation). In this case a 13 vs 08 you'll pay the same in the end, if not less for the 13 as no matter the value, it's still a refresh and will command higher dollar than launch version from future buyers. But I'm coming at this from an "eventual sale" perspective and not the hold for life mentality.
What is it about the older models people find more attractive than newer? IMO it's exactly the opposite and the truck gets less boring/Highlander-ish as it has been iterated over the years, even to the point I now prefer the new style over my 13 even though I did not initially.
What is it about the older models people find more attractive than newer? IMO it's exactly the opposite and the truck gets less boring/Highlander-ish as it has been iterated over the years, even to the point I now prefer the new style over my 13 even though I did not initially.
Markuson
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We had a fully stock 200 with us on Black Bear Pass last year. As far as I know, the only damage was to the stock running boards...which should have probably been removed anyway... And...I don't know whether the running boards were bent on that particular trail or not. As I recall...one truck didn't even have AT tires...
Taco2Cruiser
Crazy American Off Road
I used to go down black bear in a Subaru Forester and one time in a rental GMC Envoy, nothing touched the ground other than tire.
Black Bear is a beautiful trail, with amazing views. Hard it is not. There's no big rocks in the middle of it, it's like a boat ramp with a cliff. If you're ever by the trail, do it, you won't regret it, and a stock 200 on street tires is absolutely more than capable of taking it. You just need a little driving skill and enjoy the truck in low range limited to first gear.
Once a year through they change the trail direction to go up it, that's a bit different and if you have some legit tires and a rear locker makes for a pretty awesome time also.
What year WRX did you have? Do you miss it?
I also saw an earlier post re: your Bluetooth Audio trick and USB mod. Would you mind sharing link of which products you used?
Markuson
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What year WRX did you have? Do you miss it?
I also saw an earlier post re: your Bluetooth Audio trick and USB mod. Would you mind sharing link of which products you used?
My WRX was a 2013...and it was an absolute BLAST to drive! It was nearly impossible to corner too fast in that thing, and I actually got it to 154MPH on two brief occasions (probably good I sold it!). The speedometer stops (hits the pin) at 154 (after overriding an electronic speed governor via re-flash of the computer. I definitely miss it's zippy fun-to-drive-ness...BUT...I sold it to help pay for my 200...so no regrets.
I'll try to look up the info on my inexpensive Bluetooth Audio solution...
Does anyone have updated thoughts on this. Looking at both a 2008 and a 2013. Thanks.
I’m partial to the mid cycle refresh (2013-15) anyway, but logically speaking I’d recommend getting whatever the newest model you can afford.
Markuson
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13 adds forward camera when in 4Lo... something I wouldn’t mind having on my 08.
Anyone have regrets buying the 2013?
Markuson
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Anyone have regrets buying the 2013?
The only thing I don’t like on the 13+ is the chrome door bumps.
But that...is about a 0.05 out of 10 on the scale of what matters.
The only thing I don’t like on the 13+ is the chrome door bumps.
Yah, not real fond. Are there aftermarket replacements?
Markuson
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Paint, vinyl wrap or plasti-dip.
It’s barely worth mentioning.
My real point was that it’s all pluses with the 13+ except for that extremely minor quibble.
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Thank you!
One can always Line-X ‘em...
I am struggling with this one.
Taco2Cruiser
Crazy American Off Road
I went with a 2011 over a 2013 (or a soon to be released 2016)...
Solely because I knew I was going to modify.
And at the time, the best 200s I found across the country was $9000 more for a 2013.
And for me, not necessarily for others, but for me, I found that for $9k I would much rather have:
A front winch bumper
4.88 gears
Front and rear air lockers
Twin air compressor
Rock sliders
Full stainless steel skid plates
And a roof rack
Instead of:
360° cameras that I won’t trust on extremely technical terrain and can’t see under the truck.
A/C seats (had them, I don’t like them)
And a more uglier tan interior. The 2013-2015 tan is just so much more tan. Where the 2008-2011 tan interior is just the seats, carpet, and a little bit of the door.
That’s me. That’s my reasons. The 360° is awesome in pretty tough off-road conditions as my dad uses his all the time in his 2018.
He also like A/C seats.
So I would look at what you want at the end of the day. It’s about the total vehicle.
And asking questions like, is a built 2008 better than a stock 2015?
Would I rather not build, and have more money to actually go and enjoy an awesome trip in a 200? (I mean, stock, they will almost go anywhere... sometimes I don’t know why I built mine)
Do I plan to sell at a later time?
And the most important question, what condition and how much was the truck taken care of?
Just because “routine mainenance” was conducted. Doesn’t mean the previous owners cared as much as another previous owner.
Take my 2011. Like when I found a mega big gulp of slushy down in the rear seat, that had to be 2 years old. F’ing thanks soccer moms. Thanks. Oh well, I got a 4 year old 200 with 75k on the clock for $38k after tax, tag, and title. So I’ll clean up some goo to knock,
Fourty THOUSAND dollars off the price.
Solely because I knew I was going to modify.
And at the time, the best 200s I found across the country was $9000 more for a 2013.
And for me, not necessarily for others, but for me, I found that for $9k I would much rather have:
A front winch bumper
4.88 gears
Front and rear air lockers
Twin air compressor
Rock sliders
Full stainless steel skid plates
And a roof rack
Instead of:
360° cameras that I won’t trust on extremely technical terrain and can’t see under the truck.
A/C seats (had them, I don’t like them)
And a more uglier tan interior. The 2013-2015 tan is just so much more tan. Where the 2008-2011 tan interior is just the seats, carpet, and a little bit of the door.
That’s me. That’s my reasons. The 360° is awesome in pretty tough off-road conditions as my dad uses his all the time in his 2018.
He also like A/C seats.
So I would look at what you want at the end of the day. It’s about the total vehicle.
And asking questions like, is a built 2008 better than a stock 2015?
Would I rather not build, and have more money to actually go and enjoy an awesome trip in a 200? (I mean, stock, they will almost go anywhere... sometimes I don’t know why I built mine)
Do I plan to sell at a later time?
And the most important question, what condition and how much was the truck taken care of?
Just because “routine mainenance” was conducted. Doesn’t mean the previous owners cared as much as another previous owner.
Take my 2011. Like when I found a mega big gulp of slushy down in the rear seat, that had to be 2 years old. F’ing thanks soccer moms. Thanks. Oh well, I got a 4 year old 200 with 75k on the clock for $38k after tax, tag, and title. So I’ll clean up some goo to knock,
Fourty THOUSAND dollars off the price.
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It’s a little more permanent than the other chrome delete options...
Thanks Taco
The leather material in the 2013+ is so much nicer than the older models. Not to mention cooled seats & updated navigation system.
