Media 200 series picture thread (7 Viewers)

[r3run33]

the frame is stock it has a full cage etc. the rules are much more strict for the class they run at the dakar; Robby gordon runs in a different class which is open to anything you can build; his competion is the mini copper but that mini is now where near stock. I have seen a video where they actually say the only thing they use from the mini is the windscreen. I will research my pics which shows the roll cage a frame. Now Joe Bacal races a LX570 which is also stock frame and motor but the suspension on that is not anything close to what is on the 200 series. I think the shock mounts of his LX are actually inside the cabin for the rear suspension.

 

[r3run33]

I'm not knocking Joe's truck he does great things but this mod would not be allowed in their class

 

[Overlake]

damn the stock frame is STOUT! I remember reading in some Toyota brochure that it's XX% more stiff than the 100 with an extra bracing and probably other details only engineers care to dig into, but we owners benefit from.

I saw a youtube interview of the driver/owner of the modified LX. seems like a real cool guy who's accomplished a lot personally and professionally, living out the dream. I hear his setup is upwards of $300K factory backed? So much custom work there it's nuts.

The 200 definitely seems to be misunderstood and I think in large part is has to do with low volume sales in NA. It's arguably the best made rig on planet earth. Just add some 33s, a nice suspension setup and you have a keeper for the ages. I love that there aren't many of them around - let alone modified ones.

 

[hoser]

One of Team Bacal's LX570 was for sale recently for ~$50 or 60k.... came with spare drivetrain/chassis too (from the one he rolled).

Now Joe Bacal races a LX570 which is also stock frame and motor but the suspension on that is not anything close to what is on the 200 series. I think the shock mounts of his LX are actually inside the cabin for the rear suspension.

I believe class rules allow a change in shocks, mounts and springs but the suspension arms are stock and in their stock location.

 

[bjowett]

I hate to break it to you guys, but the USA only trucks lack some bracing at the front shocks towers..... and have different part numbers for all four upper frame spring/shock mounts and one front lower cross member. Given that we lack that bracing, I'm guessing the mounts may be weaker, but I have no proof to back that up.

 

[hoser]

Would be interested to see more of what you are talking about. Start a new thread. Might be a difference in engine weight?

 

[Overlake]

I hate to break it to you guys, but the USA only trucks lack some bracing at the front shocks towers..... and have different part numbers for all four upper frame spring/shock mounts and one front lower cross member. Given that we lack that bracing, I'm guessing the mounts may be weaker, but I have no proof to back that up.

If what you claim is true, could it be the case because the diesel engine is heavier than the gas engines?

No offense, but the more I read your posts, the less I see actual fact backed info and more opinion/where-did-you-get-that-from opinion.

 

[MScruiser]

No offense, but the more I read your posts, the less I see actual fact backed info and more opinion/where-did-you-get-that-from opinion.

Brian, please keep posting your great information and keep up the great updates in your build threads. Please don't mind this guy's posts.

Overlake, if you don't have anything useful to add, that don't say anything at all. Stop dumping in threads.

 

[Atwalz]

Vehicles weight is not that different. 5.7L US edition weight 5,765 lbs. Aussie diesel version VX model is ~5,984 lbs. So we are talking about diesel being 219 lbs heavier. Trade off is that its towing capacity is reduced as well.

 

[bjowett]

I need to dig a little deeper on the frame differences... it could be something to do w/ the KDSS. I'll get a thread going soon.

No offense taken, I do hypothesize at times, but any info I post will usually lead to facts, if not, I have no problem eating crow on it.

 

[pdxlc200]

If what you claim is true, could it be the case because the diesel engine is heavier than the gas engines?

No offense, but the more I read your posts, the less I see actual fact backed info and more opinion/where-did-you-get-that-from opinion.

Overlake, you need to back off man. Your posts seem to have a nasty vibe and undercurrent to them. Whatever your problem is, please take it somewhere else. This is a friendly and small group of people who post here. Simmer down...

 

[MScruiser]

90% of his posts are like that. Building quite a reputation for someone with less than 30 posts in total.

Here are a few other posts where he dumps on bjowett. These were both on the same page of the same thread.

For a truck in this class, I'd seriously consider a complete setup put together by one company. I know that ICON recently completed their R&D for a full resi setup on a 200 w/ instructions on how to mount them around the KDSS system. Sure, the pricing is at the top of the range, but you get what you pay for. Brad @ ICON is the guy to work with IIRC.

He made the above statement in bjowett's own thread about building suspension set-ups for his customers.

He edited his other post in that same thread yesterday after we commented on his attitude. I wish I could remember what he typed, but it was much nastier than this, which is what made it after the edits:

You speak rather forthrightly regarding mods for a very, very low volume car.

Can you please provide references of 200 owners that run your "builds"? Build threads would be great. Thanks!

Here's a few other gems of wisdom:

Never understood these types of posts because they are anecdotal, non-scientific, void of any real engineering horsepower in its best form.

It's like asking strangers who's got the more committed wife/gf?

Mine!

I wouldn't hesitate to trust any land cruiser so long as it's been well maintained and in good steed. That's all folks.

Here he is dumping on Dusier Offroad's post (a supporting vendor who is trying to sell a stainless brake line kit to the LC community).

I personally find them superfluous. Porsche 911s, even their Motorsport bred gt3s come with rubber lines. If it makes you feel better by all means.

And finally, here he is dumping on yet another vendor (Proline 4wd Equip) in the IRONMAN/TJM/ARB Bull Bar thread:

No offense, but I'd never place it there out of respect for Toyota's LC engineering team. That's A LOT of air flow you're blocking.

With no empirical testing done, long-term testing done, that's what I would call a cute, backyard garage observation (i.e. amateur hour).

I would like to echo what pdxlc200 said--Overlake, you need to take the 'tude somewhere else. I am not sure what you have against vendors; they help pioneer great advances in TLC performance, give money to the site through advertising, and often times offer great deals for members of this community. It is posts like yours that cause them to reconsider our market, and then guys (like me) who really love being a part of the TLC community miss out. So again, do us all a favor, and stop dumping all over this website.

And in case you missed Beno's posts, you can read it here:

Hello All:

I'm one of your new moderators here in the 200 section of IH8MUD.com which is, ostensibly, the world largest and most important internet-based repository of LC knowledge and community.

I am a devoted Cruiser Head and own a number of running and non-running Cruisers.

My main goal in the 200 series section is difficult to declare in any manner that might not come across as being overly "cautious". I say this due to the contentious nature of discussion--historically--between those whom own 200 series Cruisers (in all of their variations) and those who do not and maybe are here to get information, to see what the 200 series is all about, or other non-technical pursuits. There has been, as we all well know, significant amounts of mis-information and dis-information that has been posted here and represented as "bona fide technical information" about these vehicles that have become evident and apparent as being not only false but, using internet terminology, "troll-like behaviour."

This forum will continue to be an important area of technical information and knowledge. I want this section to be an informative area where those whom own the 200 can share tech tips, issues, modifications, upgrades, etc., without feeling like someone will come in and bash their vehicle and it's value to that individual. This location will also serve as an important location for those folks looking at the 200 series to add to their collection of Land Cruisers (perhaps) or if they are a first-time purchaser of a Toyota Land Cruiser, for this location to reflect the important heritage and history of this iconic vehicle.

I am quite serious about this as I want to make this sub section just as important as the other subsections here on MUD that are at the tops of internet web searching hits and rankings. I want people to come to MUD to discuss, research, and share their information and love of the 200 series variant of the Toyota Land Cruiser.

With that all being said, I hope that this location will suit many of the needs of 200 series owners and potential owners in the future; I hope this location will provide valuable information through experience and knowledge; I hope this location will be a place to share and discuss and commune.

If you have any issues, feel free to contact me via PM or email. I'll be happy to address any concerns members might have with interaction that goes on in the 200 section.

With Best Regards,
-onur
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[r3run33]

Ok this is what I found so far; now this is not the pic I was referring to with the body being lifted off frame; I'm still searching for that one. Now I am no expert so I can't tell you if this is the 200 stock frame! Maybe beno can help?

 

[arich]

I don't speak Japanese but this is pretty cool.
Dual KYB shocks at each corner, no KDSS system. Everything looks very stock, even the brakes. These videos show what an amazing vehicle we own. Diesel sounds, well, boring but we all know diesel has entered the racing scene, Lemans........ I am hoping for a US diesel in 2017!
Do you think they have a 6 pack of suds hidden in the Cool Box JUST IN CASE of an emergency? You have to be prepared.

Overlake has too much time on his hands and not enough knowledge. Needs to get out of his mom's basement a little more often. I've dealt with Brian Jowett quite a bit and came to his defense when Overlake posted some stupidity yesterday. Should have just ignored it, I know.

 

[r3run33]

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[r3run33]

I'm hope for that diesel also. Very good reliability

 

[r3run33]

Oh that frame all by itself may even be from a Prius lol. I will keep searching for the one pic I have with the Diesel engine and no body

 

[OGBeno]

The frames are stock. The only thing they do that CDan, Mot and I saw at the factory was that they take some type of adhesive metal tape and cover up all of the holes in the frame that are normally open.

Very cool pics!