100 Series Wheel Bearing Parts Needs - What did you use?

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We are assembling UZJ100/LX470 front wheel bearing kits featuring all OEM manufacture parts (Timken, NOK, Toyota, etc). Plans thusfar are to include the flange gasket, lock tab washer, inner & outer wheel bearings/races and the wheel seal. I'm on the fence for the thrust washer (between spindle nut and outer bearing) as well a pack of different thickness snap rings at the flange?

The thrust washers don't always have to be replaced, based on 10+ years of selling our 1969-75 and 1975-97 wheel bearing & knuckle kits, less than 10%?? of users replaced their thrust washers. We have them available with and without the spindle nuts themselves in kit or as part of a spindle nut/lockwasher eliminator kit (hitting our shelves soon). I've serviced a handful of 100 wheel bearings including my 180k 2000, thrust washers were fine. This is where you come in. If you have replaced/repacked your wheel bearings as of late, what did you use?

Hoping not to bloat the price of these kits with stuff that isn't needed. Retail for the parts at Toyota is over $126 per side, we are shooting for identical parts in the $65-80 range depending on what is included. Your input is valued!
 
I have repacked twice in the last 2 years (and 3 times total on my truck) and did NOT replace the thrust washer. I purchased two new ones for my first repack and I still have them in the Toyota bags. I flipped one around the first time because one side had some score marks. I replaced the flange gasket and the seal. I know toyota says always replace the tab washer, but I reused that once too.

I like the idea of a "everything you need" kit. This is a great project for a DIY'er as the next step up from an oil change. Having a kit makes it even easier and at the $65-80 price point, it's a nice savings.

You should include a bag of shop rags, paper towels, some go-jo and nitrile gloves! ;) It's a messy job...
 
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I'm in the same boat. I flipped my thrust washer, but have a feeling that I'll be replacing before it sees 200k. PO didnt get her tight enough, and has some gnarly score marks on passenger side.

As for the all in one kit, would they be packed with grease and ready to go as well?

When you consider the # of CV replacements, it would be good to have this in the kit, and not have to carry a whole tub of grease.
 
I went to re-pack my front wheel bearings recently and ended up replacing the bearings and races due to some funky brinelling that was evident. I did however re-use the original thrust washer as they only exhibited the slightest amount of light scoring. Your kit would have been a great help!
 
Just repacked mine last week, 3rd time in 2 years.. This one was done as winter maintenance and apart of installing the SPC UCA's.. I have 145K miles on mine, however, my wheel bearings had some chunks missing (obviously due to not having them torqued properly) and I had to replace.. I ordered inner and outer wheel bearings, locking tab washer, wheel seal, cardboard-like gasket (not sure if that's what you described as gasket flange, but it goes behind the wheel seal. Everything else was in good shape and can't see needing much else to be replaced. I suppose you could include grease, but if someone is capable and competent to do their own wheel bearings, I doubt they wouldn't have grease already in hand. I suppose you could go so far as shipping the bearings in a ziplock, packed with grease..
 
I've also flipped a thrust washer where not in bad condition, and I was able to emery cloth smooth minor scoring on last PM.

That said; I replaced one side also and have read post that state "once grooved/scored thrust washer needs replacing, as it will continue to chatter" The FSM torque is very lite (to lite IMO) and thus some thrust washer are grooved and need replacing. My next repack will be informative as to higher torque and mix of thrust washer I used.

Lite torque = chatter = grooving/scoring = scorching = bearing failure = spindle failure if not corrected.

The gap of snap ring is often ignored by the DIY'er but is very import. But which size is only detriment once installed, so a return on the unused sizes would be fair unless ridiculously cheap in the kit.

Bearings should rarely need replacing unless hubs/bearings have not been properly PM and/or installed on stock series 100 (modified front end a different issue). If bearings/race needs replacing I'd certainly think thruster washer would also need replacing as best practice.

Why not offer with and without kits.........
 
I say for the cost of the thrust washer, it's good to throw it in all of them.

Also... I'm on board that including the snap rings is a good idea. One once flew about 20 feet, but luckily I was able to find it. There are I think 4 different sizes, but again it will come down to cost.

As others are pointing out, bearings shouldn't need to be replaced all that often, but if you are including these, why not go with complete kit, thrust washers, snap rings and all...
 
We are assembling UZJ100/LX470 front wheel bearing kits featuring all OEM manufacture parts (Timken, NOK, Toyota, etc). Plans thusfar are to include the flange gasket, lock tab washer, inner & outer wheel bearings/races and the wheel seal. I'm on the fence for the thrust washer (between spindle nut and outer bearing) as well a pack of different thickness snap rings at the flange?

The thrust washers don't always have to be replaced, based on 10+ years of selling our 1969-75 and 1975-97 wheel bearing & knuckle kits, less than 10%?? of users replaced their thrust washers. We have them available with and without the spindle nuts themselves in kit or as part of a spindle nut/lockwasher eliminator kit (hitting our shelves soon). I've serviced a handful of 100 wheel bearings including my 180k 2000, thrust washers were fine. This is where you come in. If you have replaced/repacked your wheel bearings as of late, what did you use?

Hoping not to bloat the price of these kits with stuff that isn't needed. Retail for the parts at Toyota is over $126 per side, we are shooting for identical parts in the $65-80 range depending on what is included. Your input is valued!

Exactly as you describe it Kurt, is the way I'd buy it. And speaking of such I need one as soon as you have them.
And regarding the grease thing, I think the point of this kit is too save folks money on the pieces. I'd rather grease them myself anyway, keep the cost as low as possible.
 
I don't expect to change thrust washers with a re-pack, but I always inspect them carefully.

When I replace the bearings there is no way I'm not installing new thrust washers, lock washers, and snap rings.

I would say the bearing kit should include thrust washers and lock washers but I would leave out the snap rings as they could add to much cost (making a DIY kit cheaper as the DIYer could buy just the 2 rings they need an not a universal selection that would get costly). Same thing on rags, gloves, etc, I'll take them but don't think they should add kit price or again a DIY kit could end up cheaper.

A kit would be a nice offering as I've not had much luck sourcing good American or Japanese bearings locally off the shelf, it's all China or wait. (I found a set of Timken USA outers but no inners on the shelf) Then the local dealers will bend me right over for the small parts so I'll need to order them and have them shipped to save, so yeah, a kit would be great.
 
When doing this service do not overlook servicing the inner axle bushing/bearing. A common but easy service overlooked on the 100 series.

As for the thrust washer if it shows any wear at all, I put it on the belt sander to clean it up and reuse.:meh:
 
You may think it over kill BUT given the fact most of your customers are going to be doing this job for the first time its going to be a bit of a learning process and from my own experience I would say throw in 2 locking washers as i can guarantee you the first time the they do a change they wont get the preload correct and so are going to want to re check it or change it and so should really replace the locking washer although they are reusable IF you are careful.

Lastly and I would think the most obvious is a 54mm socket. If you don't supply one the buyer is only going to get one from someone else so it might as well be you.

Perhaps a list of tools required for the job on the same page as the items for sale specifying the requirement for the 54mm socket and then an option to add the socket to the basket if you don't want to include it in the kit.

My 2c
 
I don't always use new tabbed/thrust washers but try to have them on hand just in case. Apart of a trailside problem on an 80-Series this past spring on our Utah explore we needed a couple...and none of us had them on hand (ditto for the dual lock nuts). Good thing to have in the truck...

The snap rings, however, are non-negotiable IMHO. For non-trained hand they are way to easy to distort when removing. And given the potential expense and problems that can arise from over-stretching them I always pay heed to Toyota's FSM for replacement part item for these. But they're not exactly cheap unless you know the exact thickness you'll need...and one needs to have, typically, more than a couple different thicknesses on hand. Not sure how you get around this one...with trying to keep the kit price down.
 
When doing this service do not overlook servicing the inner axle bushing/bearing. A common but easy service overlooked on the 100 series.

As for the thrust washer if it shows any wear at all, I put it on the belt sander to clean it up and reuse.:meh:
Slee makes a beautiful tool for the inner axle bushing and bearing, though it should be listed separately along with the large socket for the preload and lock nuts.

Steve
 
Slee makes a beautiful tool for the inner axle bushing and bearing, though it should be listed separately along with the large socket for the preload and lock nuts.

Steve

The tool is very nice but pricey for the amount of times it is needed. My system works well for the guy with swallow pockets.;)
 
Lastly and I would think the most obvious is a 54mm socket.

No socket please, I already have one, that's how I know I need new bearings. I had to have one to adjust and re-pack, I had to have one to inspect the bearings. If the kit includes it the kit cost's too much. Sure, sell sockets but don't package it with the kit. Same for a brass drift, snap ring pliers, slee grease tool, and all the other stuff I like to use for the job but don't want to buy with every set of bearings.

My definition of a kit is just that, it's a parts kit, lets not get carried away or it will be a $$$ kit now one will buy.
 
No socket please, I already have one, that's how I know I need new bearings. I had to have one to adjust and re-pack, I had to have one to inspect the bearings. If the kit includes it the kit cost's too much. Sure, sell sockets but don't package it with the kit. Same for a brass drift, snap ring pliers, slee grease tool, and all the other stuff I like to use for the job but don't want to buy with every set of bearings.

My definition of a kit is just that, it's a parts kit, lets not get carried away or it will be a $$$ kit now one will buy.

word.....x2 :wrench:
 
My definition of a kit is just that, it's a parts kit, lets not get carried away or it will be a $$$ kit now one will buy.

I agree.

Kurt, I ordered the kit for my 62 from you and it had everything I needed to do it right the first time. No questions. No guesses. I appreciate that. I'd purchase a similar kit for the 100 as well knowing that you put the time and effort into finding quality parts (all of them) and putting them into one box.

Thanks for doing this!
 
...As for the all in one kit, would they be packed with grease and ready to go as well?...

We have investigated this in the past and I don't think it is something we will offer, at least not now. Between the shipping issues created and the many different grease preferences, I don't know that there is a way to offer this in a cost effective way without creating to many options. Bare, Amsoil, Lucas, etc. It is something we will continue to look into as I'd love to have a quality knuckle grease (moly) and high temp wheel bearing grease in sealed packages available with our existing parts lineup. That said, I can't imaging anyone not being able to source the needed greases even in very small markets.

...The gap of snap ring is often ignored by the DIY'er but is very import. But which size is only detriment once installed, so a return on the unused sizes would be fair unless ridiculously cheap in the kit...

Return shipping costs and our time re-introducing them into our inventory may trump the return credit potential?

...Why not offer with and without kits.........

We already have all of these components in stock separately in high volumes so my goal isn't necessarily to sell a one-size-fits-all kit at a higher price rather a one-size-fits-most kit and from there make recommendations for other items that absolutely should be considered, i.e. the hub sockets. Perhaps we will end up with FAQ for the 100 wheel bearing similar to our knuckle page: http://cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_knuckle.html

There we can recommend the items that you may not have or may not have considered as part of the basic kit?

...Also... I'm on board that including the snap rings is a good idea. One once flew about 20 feet, but luckily I was able to find it. There are I think 4 different sizes, but again it will come down to cost.

There are 6 sizes which if included will add $10-12 per side. Another option is to stock the 6 sizes (as we do) and then customers can always call back if/when they lose theirs or need a different size? Assuming you don't need a narrower clip, you could order the appropriate width and meanwhile be driving. Pop the dust cap back off and swap clips? Worth the hassle?

Exactly as you describe it Kurt, is the way I'd buy it. And speaking of such I need one as soon as you have them.
And regarding the grease thing, I think the point of this kit is too save folks money on the pieces. I'd rather grease them myself anyway, keep the cost as low as possible.

In stock as soon as we decide what goes in them :D I have them built as described currently, adding parts wouldn't take but a few minutes for the initial batch.

...When I replace the bearings there is no way I'm not installing new thrust washers, lock washers, and snap rings.

I would say the bearing kit should include thrust washers and lock washers but I would leave out the snap rings as they could add to much cost (making a DIY kit cheaper as the DIYer could buy just the 2 rings they need an not a universal selection that would get costly). Same thing on rags, gloves, etc, I'll take them but don't think they should add kit price or again a DIY kit could end up cheaper.

A kit would be a nice offering as I've not had much luck sourcing good American or Japanese bearings locally off the shelf, it's all China or wait. (I found a set of Timken USA outers but no inners on the shelf) Then the local dealers will bend me right over for the small parts so I'll need to order them and have them shipped to save, so yeah, a kit would be great.

Great thoughts!

You may think it over kill BUT given the fact most of your customers are going to be doing this job for the first time its going to be a bit of a learning process and from my own experience I would say throw in 2 locking washers as i can guarantee you the first time the they do a change they wont get the preload correct and so are going to want to re check it or change it and so should really replace the locking washer although they are reusable IF you are careful...

We often recommend a spare spindle lock washer (as well as inner axle seals, etc in the case of knuckles) for first timers or jobs that have to be done the day they start type deal. I think rather than send out extras I'd rather let the customer plan in that area.

...But they're not exactly cheap unless you know the exact thickness you'll need...and one needs to have, typically, more than a couple different thicknesses on hand. Not sure how you get around this one...with trying to keep the kit price down.

That is the catch. Have you replaced wheel bearings? Have you had to use a different thickness snap ring?

...My definition of a kit is just that, it's a parts kit, lets not get carried away or it will be a $$$ kit now one will buy.

I like it!

...Kurt, I ordered the kit for my 62 from you and it had everything I needed to do it right the first time. No questions. No guesses. I appreciate that. I'd purchase a similar kit for the 100 as well knowing that you put the time and effort into finding quality parts (all of them) and putting them into one box.

Thanks for doing this!

Thank you! :cool:
 
Thanks for the comments everyone, I really appreciate it. I'm going to work on some less expensive sources on high-quality snap rings (or perhaps Onur can sell them by the pound :D) and in the meantime by popular demand we will add the thrust washers to the kit.

Pricing and pics in a few minutes :D
 
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