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Long time lurker, first time posting in the Pig Pen.

Picked up a'72 from eBaylate last night.

Ads Text

"Selling with no reserve a 1972 toyota land cruiser fj55 4-dr station wagon. Runs and drives good. Engine, glass interior and dash are in good condition..4-wheel drive works. Clutch slips and brakes are bad. Buyer responsible for all shipping and loading costs."

Spoke with seller, at length, as the story goes.

He was in high end auto transport until a few months back when he learned he had a tumor after a colonoscopy. Has since been through surgeries and several rounds of chemo and is on the last of the treatments, but has since began liquidating transport trucks and miscellaneous "toys", in whatever stage they are in, since the dynamics of life change post OP.

He purchased in the mountains of New Mexico about a year ago, an eBay deal, with the intent of a full restoration, but put on hold due to medical condition.

Following excerpts from the conversation:

*Engine runs great, almost too good to be either original or untouched. Speculates a swap or rebuild at some point in the past. Weber carb. *Interior is in good shape. All original glass intact and without blemishes.

*Floorboards are solid from the top, but left side bottom of passenger well is showing signs of corrosion.

*Brakes are shot. Period.

*Clutch slips badly. Once up to speed, feels fine, but at take off it's a slipper.

*Said he believes a gold original color. Said it's faint on the door jamb where they investigated to determine a resto goal.

*Has restored domestics, some of which are for sale/sold on eBay lately.

During the conversation, we worked a deal on him bringing to Tulsa on Monday. Said all his buddies are at the ongoing Leake Auto Auction and was thinking about coming to see them anyway, so he offered to bring up on his way.

Will obviously know more on Monday, and plan taking to a trusted mechanic for a general review, possibly pulling tranny and inspecting brakes. Another Mudder stated the clutch could be an $800-1000 job, IF the parts were properly sourced.

Now, I'm not a great mechanic, which I know makes most all of y'all cringe. I fall into a bolt on crowd, so this will all be new to me, but pick up on it, eventually.

I have a tendency of going overboard, but after dialogue with a Mudbuddy, I think the goals for this are to get it mechanically sound, then address the cosmetics, with the purpose an occasional driver, general preservation.

Can't envision not lifting with appropriately sized tires, but can't envision an SBC either, since I like keeping it Toyota.

I've found the board to be an excellent resource on the current build, but all was well within reach, so to speak. I'm in over my head here, first to admit, but it is what it is.

What pics I can generate from iPhone eBay app. Rest can be seen on eBay link.



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Any and all advice is appreciated.

Chris

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Alright, welcome to the group. Seems to be a good one. Hope everything is as you expect.
 
Nice looking 55! Congratulations and welcome to the pig sty.........Gary S

Thanks for the welcome.

Hopefully, she won't want her belly scratched, too.

Alright, welcome to the group.

Thanks.

Having watched the "SLOW 71" build, may have it to thank/blame for this endeavor. Hahaha.

Seems to be a good one. Hope everything is as you expect.

I expect only the unexpected.

It appeared in the pics and description from seller, who sounds genuine as it gets, to not be eaten by rust, considering it's age and current location, but having originated in NM, may get lucky.

Interior appears clean, runs, just not quickly from a dead start, nor will it stop.

Know Monday what I've got, if all goes as planned.
 
Keep us posted. The clutch job could be cheaper if someone hasn't gotten in there and screwed up diff, sae bolts helicoiled in, etc. Definitely do it right with Toyota parts, resurface flywheel, etc. Like I said, the adventure begins!
 
Keep us posted.

Haha. You can bet on that.

But, hey, look on the bright side of your new position as advisor.

You'll be texting as quick as your teenager soon. Hahaha.

The clutch job could be cheaper if someone hasn't gotten in there and screwed up diff, sae bolts helicoiled in, etc. Definitely do it right with Toyota parts, resurface flywheel, etc.

I'm sure thinking your suggestion makes the most sense, honestly, but you can bet it's OE for me. The adherence to OE is a curse on the other build, from a budgetary and strength perspective, but that same self inflicted mandate is what'll keep a V8 out of the picture.

If it's reasonably possible to restore the current, assumed OE, drivetrain and power plant, have every intention to.

If not, it may be seeing a 1FZ-FE and you know the reason why. Hahaha.

Like I said, the adventure begins!

I'm stoked, but ignorance is bliss!!!!
 
Welcome to the club Chris! Looks good, it appears the dash pad is not cracked? If so, that a big plus. Look forward to seeing it worked on. Personally, I would let a shop do the clutch since a lift makes it much easier. Make sure to replace the rear main since its right there too.
 
Personally, I would let a shop do the clutch

Personally, I would tell the OP to change his own clutch...
Yes, it is the dirtiest, hardest, most physically demanding job you can do on a Pig. Therefore, perfect for a new owner. You can drop the tranny out of a Pig with a 4x4 piece of lumber (one end on the dash, other end on the tailgate) and some ratchet straps. The perspective one gets while sitting on the ground, head poking up through the floorboards is priceless...

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Thats an awesome pic pighead!!

Yea, it's always time vs money- paying someone $400-500 in labor vs spending a weekend doing the clutch. It's a decision each one has to make for themselves.
 
Saw that one on eBay, looks like a solid rig. Welcome to the madness ...

Thanks. Hoping it's as solid as it appeared. Got caught up in it early on and why I need to stay off eBay, but seller's bringing it to me, so not a bad deal overall on the surface.

You're in he right track to get her running and enjoy before you start improving

That's what I'm thinking.

If it runs as good as stated, fix clutch and brakes and begin an overall plan while enjoying it.
 
Welcome to the club Chris!

Thanks, Jason. I'm hoping the Yard is full!!

Looks good, it appears the dash pad is not cracked? If so, that a big plus. Look forward to seeing it worked on.

Seller stated it wasn't cracked and the interior wasn't indicative of other 42 year old "classics" he'd started restorations from.

I wish I could find the eBay ad he purchased from. Going to press for more detailed purchase info, just to see if I can compile a general history. If he bought around a year ago out of NM, betting there's a link or other info here on Mud.

Personally, I would let a shop do the clutch since a lift makes it much easier.

That's what I'm thinking, but not necessarily for the lift, only.

Get a general scope of what I can ascertain needing attention, then address all, systematically.

Make sure to replace the rear main since its right there too.

I believe you're aware of the disease I have, aptly titled "while I'm in there" OCD. Haha.

With Mud as a resource and once a general plan has been established, can bet that "if" (since I know not all parts are still sitting on Toyota's shelves) it can and needs to be replaced, it will be.

Personally, I would tell the OP to change his own clutch...

Jason and David may have a little insight into the limitations of my mechanical aptitude and general OCDism and that may be why both have suggested outsourcing.

Dropping a tranny's doesn't intimidate, but rebuilding may be out of my realm of capabilities. Plus, there's a lack of local resources, be it club members, other owners, or even an LC specific mechanic.

With my recent performance on the 80 series braking system being an indicator, I'm concerned about the brakes more than all else.

Have replaced every component, short of the hardlines, and still a fail.

I'm all about trying new things, though.

Yes, it is the dirtiest, hardest, most physically demanding job you can do on a Pig. Therefore, perfect for a new owner.

Sounds a rite of passage, similar to what I considered a front axle rebuild on an 80.

All about paying dues.

The perspective one gets while sitting on the ground, head poking up through the floorboards is priceless...

That is a great pic.
Thats an awesome pic pighead!! Yea, it's always time vs money- paying someone $400-500 in labor vs spending a weekend doing the clutch. It's a decision each one has to make for themselves.

My biggest concern is quality. Yes, a little Sutherland-ish to outsource, but honestly, short of full swaps, I've no transmission experience. Short of 4 stroke quad engines, I've no internal engine experience, either, so coming at this with a deficit on mechanical aptitude.

Doesn't lessen the desire to do it right, nor love for the vehicle and "build" process, but I know I'm decades behind most of y'all in the wrenching.
 
if you're gunna let someone else do your clutch stuff, make certain they are cruiserfied. if not, you'll end up taking it back apart to fix what they screwed up. not trying to scare you, but alot of mechanics don't know jack about these old rigs and their secret ways. Just spent 3K on a 2F rebuild. I had to pull the head and swap the gasket cause it was upside down-blocking top end oil, had to replace the cam expansion plug cause he used a freeze plug and it was too deep to keep clearnce, just dropped the pan to disassemble the el cheapo oil pump in order to drive the dizzy out that bound up in the un-clearanced oil pump housing causing the sheer pin to sheer(clearly a fit issue with the housing...) just to give you an idea of what an uneducated to the cruiser world mechanic is capable of accomplishing. FWIW, the guy builds a mean SBC...so, cause I was too busy and didn't want to get dirty, I told the guy to do the assembly after all- I was going to do it myself, but got caught up in life- now, I've spent 3 days just to get back to square 1. and it took 3 weeks too long to get to this point. I vote for do it yourself with the help of mud, know it's done right- or at least that you didn't get worked over by some other dude- and knowing that you know is worth more than the result it gets you, IMO;)
 
Looks good, it appears the dash pad is not cracked?


Perhaps the PO bought it with the after-market dashpad cover already installed and did not know? (perfectly understandable...)

Dropping a tranny's doesn't intimidate,


Dropping the tranny is the easy part, it's mating it back up to the engine that is a PIA. Probably no need to rebuild the tranny, 1) they last forever and B) if yours ever goes bad, people give away 3-speed trannys...
Once the tranny is separated from the bellhousing, just unbolt the pressure-plate and the clutch disc will fall out. You have to pull the flywheel to get to the rear oilseal, so unbolt that and pry until it falls on to your toe. The bellhousing stays on through all of this.
 
Pighead has obviously seen me pull a transmission.
 
Lambcrusher is right, make sure you get someone who is versed in cruisers to do this. Also, you may want to consider putting in a 4 speed (h42) while you have it out. They are cheap and having a 4th gear would be nice. I get 58 on the highway in my 72 with the 3 speed, it feels like it's whining any more than that. Most of the time I in 2nd or 3rd anyway, 1st is only for full stops.

If you need a shop and cant find anyone around you, I highly recommend Land Cruiser Specialist if you want to come to Austin. Edwin and company are very knowledgeable and very reasonable and fair. I take my rigs there when I dont feel like doing something :) Most of the Austin guys do the same.

I am guessing yours is before 9/72?, which makes parts harder to find. Mine is. Cruiser Corps sells a dash pad for the 9/72 and later, but earlier models require modification. I am not sure what that entails. Do you know pighead? or anyone else?
 
if you're gunna let someone else do your clutch stuff, make certain they are cruiserfied.

You can bet I will, but based on suggestions from those in the know.

Again, not feeling comfortable in the interior of an engine, had Robbie Antonson do all on the 1FZ as PM, ridiculous as it sounds.

Fireman made a suggestion that sounds legit, and I know Texas has many specific shops, so looks like I need a small enough trailer to cross state lines with.
 
Just buy a car hauler, you know you'll need one eventually. Heck, you can write it off.
 
Again, not feeling comfortable in the interior of an engine, had Robbie Antonson do all on the 1FZ as PM, ridiculous as it sounds.

Nobody I know could argue with that decision. Not ridiculous at all. For a 1FZ...
A 1F, on the other hand, can be serviced by illiterate Aborigines.
 

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