factory Winch

[NZ-CHCH-Cruiser]

Does any one know any info on the factory winch on the 80.

ie Pull, Lenght able to be held on the drum

Any wiring diagrams would be good too

Jono

 

[Tapage]

Most that I've seen here are Mechanical .. 80ft of cable. Few ones are electrical with a termo control switch. Let me search for pics of the factory winch in a 75 series ( thought the same as 80 series ).

Here are ..

 

[IB14A69]

i really need to move

 

[mac]

80 series are usually electric and rated at about 8000lbs.

 

[NZ-CHCH-Cruiser]

I have a electric one and it look close to the one on the 70.

jono

 

[cruiserdan]

Most that I've seen here are Mechanical .. 80ft of cable. Few ones are electrical with a termo control switch. Let me search for pics of the factory winch in a 75 series ( thought the same as 80 series ).

Here are ..

Based on that label I'd say it's a 2,200 lb winch single line and an 8,000 lb winch with a tripple snatchblock......

Hardly a workhorse.

 

[NZ-CHCH-Cruiser]

thats how i read it too bugger mite have to rethink my plans for the factory winch.

jono

 

[bjowett]

Reinstate your plans.... I have an Aisin AI-1000 in the garage, it is way beyond a 2000lb single line pull. It makes most aftermarket (but not all) stuff look cheap. I'd compare the build size and weight to 12k planetary winch... I'll get some pics up for you guys this week.

 

[flintknapper]

Doesn't seem like it would make much of a "recovery" winch.

The short cable length isn't real "thoughtful" either...as you will need to use snatch blocks to get any grunt out of the winch.

If you triple line, you'd need a pair of blocks, so I hope the anchor points aren't too far away.

 

[dieseldan]

Pretty sure I read something (so must be true) on the Aisin winch for the factory 80/81 for 11,000lb cap.

I've never measured the line speed but it's fast imo.

 

[jasonmt]

Based on that label I'd say it's a 2,200 lb winch single line and an 8,000 lb winch with a tripple snatchblock......

Hardly a workhorse.

Doesn't seem like it would make much of a "recovery" winch.

The short cable length isn't real "thoughtful" either...as you will need to use snatch blocks to get any grunt out of the winch.

If you triple line, you'd need a pair of blocks, so I hope the anchor points aren't too far away.

Like dieseldan those of us that actually own and use these winches would put them up against any 8000# rated winch this side of an 8274-50 from Warn/MM/Ramsey et al.

I think Toyota chose to simply "rate" these winches more conservatively than the recreational winch manufacturers do. It is not like Warn sells 9500# winches spooled with 5/16" cable assemblies that have a average breaking strength less than the winches rating.

 

[Cruiser804]

Here are a few pictures. There is a post here someplace that provides the specs for the 80 series OEM.

 

[flintknapper]

Like dieseldan those of us that actually own and use these winches would put them up against any 8000# rated winch this side of an 8274-50 from Warn/MM/Ramsey et al.

I think Toyota chose to simply "rate" these winches more conservatively than the recreational winch manufacturers do. It is not like Warn sells 9500# winches spooled with 5/16" cable assemblies that have a average breaking strength less than the winches rating.

I would call underrating the winch 5800 lbs. something other than "conservative".

Why would they do that?

 

[flintknapper]

Here are a few pictures. There is a post here someplace that provides the specs for the 80 series OEM.

It certainly looks substantial.

 

[jasonmt]

I would call underrating the winch 5800 lbs. something other than "conservative".

Why would they do that?

Apply a 4:1 design factor to a typical 5/16" wire rope assembly and where does that put you?

 

[flintknapper]

Apply a 4:1 design factor to a typical 5/16" wire rope assembly and where does that put you?

There is NO 4:1 safety factor with wire rope. There is working load and nominal breaking strength.

Depending upon the cable employed (material and construction) the rates will vary.

Typical aircraft cables (7X19 soft lay) in 5/16".... have nominal breaking strengths of approx. 9800 lbs. for galvanized and 9000 lbs. for stainless.

These will NOT withstand 40,000 lbs. I assure you.

Working load limits run about 1/4 of nominal breaking strength (probably what you are thinking of). Breaking strength is what we are interested in...and it does not have a 4:1 factor.

 

[jasonmt]

There is NO 4:1 safety factor with wire rope. There is working load and nominal breaking strength.

Depending upon the cable employed (material and construction) the rates will vary.

Typical aircraft cables (7X19 soft lay) in 5/16".... have nominal breaking strengths of approx. 9800 lbs. for galvanized and 9000 lbs. for stainless.

These will NOT withstand 40,000 lbs. I assure you.

Working load limits run about 1/4 of nominal breaking strength (probably what you are thinking of). Breaking strength is what we are interested in...and it does not have a 4:1 factor.

You are taking the design ratio comment and applying it the wrong way, a simple 4:1 design ratio based on a wire rope assembly with a ~9300# average breaking strength would put you at around ~2300#’s which is not far from the ~2200# “rating” that Toyota has put on the sticker.

The easiest way to avoid a lawsuit is to slap a big warning sticker on something saying “Winch rated for 1000 kg single line, do not exceed” and then when it fails at a stress level higher than that the frivolous lawsuit is going to be hard to bring.

Once again have you seen the winch in real life? Used it to pull your 6000#+ cruiser around in 2' of snow? Taken it apart and serviced it?

 

[flintknapper]

The easiest way to avoid a lawsuit is to slap a big warning sticker on something saying “Winch rated for 1000 kg single line, do not exceed” and then when it fails at a stress level higher than that the frivolous lawsuit is going to be hard to bring.

Once again have you seen the winch in real life? Used it to pull your 6000#+ cruiser around in 2' of snow? Taken it apart and serviced it?

Seems to me... the "truth" would better serve the consumer.

Any lawyer "worth his salt" would quickly assert that Toyota put a winch on their vehicle fully capable of producing 8,000 lbs of pull on a single line and and LABLED it 2200 lbs., how the hell is the consumer going to know when he has reached 2200 lbs. I didn't see a meter on the winch.

This clearly misleads the consumer and would be an easy "win" in court IMO.

As to your other question: No I have not seen one in "real life" until someone posted a pic. (above). I then made the comment that the winch looked "substantial". Plainly...it is capable of more than 2200 lbs. of pull on a single line, so don't get your panties all in a wad.

My original comments and those of others were based on ratings published and displayed on the vehicle by TOYOTA. If you (or others) have practical experience refuting that....great, we are all happy to learn.

What do you estimate the ACTUAL pulling capacity to be?

My guess (since its fitted with 5/16" cable) is about 8,000 lbs. single line on the first layer next to the drum.

 

[flintknapper]

So, anyone know what the "real" rating of this winch is?

 

[dieseldan]

I'm still not sure on breaking strength of my cable but the factory rating on the winch seems to be 3600kg for what it's worth.