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dieseldan said:
I'm still not sure on breaking strength of my cable but the factory rating on the winch seems to be 3600kg for what it's worth.
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3600kg would be roughly 8,000 lbs. of pulling force, so a 5/16" wire rope (if that is what you have) would be fine.

(New) 7X19 galvanized aircraft cable has a nominal breaking strength of about 9,800 lbs. and will probably go a bit more before breaking.

The pic. of the winch posted above shows a very rugged looking unit. Judging solely by looks....I'd be inclined to think it was capable of an 8,000 lb. pull on a single line (first layer on drum).

But, the Toyota info provided ..suggests that it will pull only 2,200 lbs. on a single line and that more pulling power can be had by doubling or tripling the line.:confused:

If it was Toyota's purpose to restrict liability to themselves, then I submit they went about it the wrong way.

If the consumer is NOT to exceed 2,200 lbs. of pull on a single line...then Toyota should have provided some way for the consumer to measure/gauge/meter the amount of strain on the unit.

Otherwise...they have only succeeded in "duping" the user into thinking they are pulling less than they really are.

You can tell by looking at the winch...it is not "wimpy" (unless it is geared weirdly or has a weak motor).

Very odd consumer info IMO.
 
well as i have caused his little debarcal i'll go and get the a load cell and measure it untill the winch stalls.

Just happens that i now work with a companay that has one :p

i will post up the results

Jono
 
NZ-CHCH-Cruiser said:
well as i have caused his little debarcal i'll go and get the a load cell and measure it untill the winch stalls.

Just happens that i now work with a companay that has one :p

i will post up the results

Jono
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Now that will be cool!:D

This way..we'll have empirical evidence and can lay all speculation to rest.

Make sure you've got a fully charged battery and that engine rpm is at least 1800-2000.

Please be very careful if you plan on pulling up to "stall". An older (or frayed) wire rope may not be up to the task and I don't want you getting hurt or damaging anything over this.
 
well i was lucky to get a new blue rope.

so ill be hooking upp to a 2 tonne block. test date is set for the 10 Jan as we are busy using the load cell at the mo
 
Factory 80 series winch

IMHO the markings on the winch shown in several post back up the page a bit is the derating factor for layers on the winch drum but I could be wrong.

I have seen and used a few of the 80 series electric factory electric winches in the past and would fit one to my truck if I could get one (and did not already have a Warn XD9000 fitted).
We used one on a readers trip to winch every vehicle (12) in the group up a 20 degree slippery clay slope after he had winched himself to the top and turned around. The winch never even slowed down.

So I would not be getting a 2 tonne snatch block but rather a std ARB one rated at 8000kgs. Or perhaps one of their latest units just because they look so nice.



Cheers
 
I agree. Could it not be refering to layers on the drum?
 
winch video

Just posted a video of a factory winch in action. YouTube - Land Cruiser 80 Winch Action My JDM owners manual should have all the winch specs. Been looking for for it ... can't find it right now; when I do I will post the info. Happy New Year. Cheers , Landcrusher80
 
sorry i will be hooking up to a 2 tonne weight. i will have the load cell between the 2t block and the winch, yes ill have a few dampers on the cable.

now i will do the test with 1 layer only on the winch drum as this will give me the max pull.

i belone to ORE aswell and yes i hav asked the question. so far it seens to be around the 3500kg.


Jono
 
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well we had fun doing this winch test at work.

hooked it all up and well i draged the truck down the road with only one layer on the drum.
So we reset the test and added a block tied to the truck on the rear.

bugger winch still won it draged the 2 tonne block along load scale reading was 3200KG when the block started to move then dropped down to 2400kg.

added move weight to front and reset test AGAIN

this time engine at 1200rpm winch got up to 3900kgs ad that were i stopped it as it was trying to stall not quite.

So i think it will get the truck out of the mud ok with about 4 tonne pull on a singel layer :)

time to go change the cable now as i still havent installed the new rope.

my boss was laffing when he came to see wot was happening as he was talking about my truck and useing the winch for a task. turns out the truck will be winching a part up the track soon.
 
I think Toyota would not install something that will not do it's job.
 
landcrusher80 said:
Just posted a video of a factory winch in action. YouTube - Land Cruiser 80 Winch Action My JDM owners manual should have all the winch specs. Been looking for for it ... can't find it right now; when I do I will post the info. Happy New Year. Cheers , Landcrusher80
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Hachi maru eh? I can't beleive that guy was standing next to the line running the remote like that. :eek:
 
bjowett said:
Reinstate your plans.... I have an Aisin AI-1000 in the garage, it is way beyond a 2000lb single line pull. It makes most aftermarket (but not all) stuff look cheap. I'd compare the build size and weight to 12k planetary winch... I'll get some pics up for you guys this week.
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i have 2 hdj80 LHD with mechanical winch. like i see there pulling is 4.5Ton. you pull with no problem 2 cars full on breaks towards each other.
for sale here in Belgium. 7000€ http://www.2dehands.be/bestelwagens...ellen/land-cruiser-4-2-turbo-2-218884069.html email me or tel 0032474 045269 landcruiserhdj80.81V@gmail.com thanks, luc.
 
flintknapper said:


Seems to me... the "truth" would better serve the consumer.

Any lawyer "worth his salt" would quickly assert that Toyota put a winch on their vehicle fully capable of producing 8,000 lbs of pull on a single line and and LABLED it 2200 lbs., how the hell is the consumer going to know when he has reached 2200 lbs. I didn't see a meter on the winch.

This clearly misleads the consumer and would be an easy "win" in court IMO.

As to your other question: No I have not seen one in "real life" until someone posted a pic. (above). I then made the comment that the winch looked "substantial". Plainly...it is capable of more than 2200 lbs. of pull on a single line, so don't get your panties all in a wad.

My original comments and those of others were based on ratings published and displayed on the vehicle by TOYOTA. If you (or others) have practical experience refuting that....great, we are all happy to learn.

What do you estimate the ACTUAL pulling capacity to be?

My guess (since its fitted with 5/16" cable) is about 8,000 lbs. single line on the first layer next to the drum.
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i have 2 hdj80 LHD with mechanical winch. like i see there pulling is 4.5Ton. you pull with no problem 2 cars full on breaks towards each other.
for sale here in Belgium. 7000€ http://www.2dehands.be/bestelwagens...ellen/land-cruiser-4-2-turbo-2-218884069.html email me or tel 0032474 045269 landcruiserhdj80.81V@gmail.com thanks, luc.

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