After driving my ‘03 4Runner and LC 200 I have no desire for an SUV with a manual transmission. And I drove exclusively manual transmissions for over 25 years.
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I suspect that Toyota detuned the engine when paired with the manual transmission for a reason, and that if you tune for more power you will start breaking things.
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Maybe... lot of variables. Could simply be for MPG or emissions as well. Also, much of the running gear is going to be universal for TNGA, so big diffs might explain the low ground clearance numbers.
My intended application would be at altitude so even turning up the wick a lot to still have less than factory HP at sea level.
We put 60K hard miles on that Veloster. Never had a problem. Feel sorry for whoever had it after me, though.
Also, all of my mods were of the reducing lost HP verse adding more HP. Turbos heat soak quicker than snot, so big intercoolers might become a thing.
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For the heavier SUVs I completely agree. If it was smaller/lighter, more like the older trucks and I would prefer a stick shift. The GX is only the second Automatic DD I have had. Stick shift 5 lugs for 17 years then a handful of compact cars and a JK-R.
The other auto DD was a Subaru when I lived in Houston and that traffic was pretty unfriendly with a clutch. I was getting shin splints in my Accord, so when it died I ended up getting an automatic, even though it made me cringe.
Agreed. They're pretty worthless. Not sure why they added em. But it stood out as a feature I haven't seen in ages.
FWIW the MT has 4.30 diffs and nearly the same 1st gear ratio - MT is slightly lower. My guess is the de-tune is necessary for the rear end to survive. With the detuned 310tq, the MT Tacoma has 10% MORE torque net of the trans and axles than the 5.7 Tundra.
I think the SR model gets detuned by 25% across MT and AT models. The higher models with MT are only dropped 8hp IIRC because they lowered the rev limiter due to some transmission harmonic frequency imbalance issue.
I think the SR model gets detuned by 25% across MT and AT models. The higher models with MT are only dropped 8hp IIRC because they lowered the rev limiter due to some transmission harmonic frequency imbalance issue.
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I often wonder how a MT would be in a Toyota SUV when I'm towing with my GX in hilly terrain. Considering the amount of effort required to manually select the proper gear, then lock/unlock my torque converter via the WAT lockup switch (after selecting the proper gear and before shifting again), I honestly think a manual would be easier, safer, and more intuitive 
. I also always had a MT vehicle around prior to getting my GX in 2020. For a non-commuter vehicle I prefer a manual.
. I also always had a MT vehicle around prior to getting my GX in 2020. For a non-commuter vehicle I prefer a manual.
Did not realize that. Might be a typo from SR model.
The manual equipped Tacoma are supposed to come with 9.5" BD24 rear diff with 4.30 gear.
That 9.5 should handle the power - my bet is that it's a transmission strength issue. No one seems bothering to engineer truck manuals for high-torque applications any longer (unless one of Toyota's non-US MT's has the strength and I'm just not familiar with it). Even when the HD diesels trucks still offered manuals (I think Ram was the last in 2017 or 2018), the MT was significantly de-tuned.
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Also wouldn't be surprised if power at the wheels is more equitable and if the 0-60s with a skilled driver are closer.
Power at the crank is only part of the story.
Power at the crank is only part of the story.
I think it's a new transmission. So I'm not sure we know much. But the 4.7:1 first gear is a good start. It's a much deeper 1st than any prior Tacoma. And it's still about 20% higher in 6th than the H55. Probably the best manual ratio spread in Toyota products I know of. So I'm assuming they must be ready for a lot more torque down stream on this generation.
I think they'd benefit from a lower transfer case ratio though. I'd love to see closer to 4:1.
I think they'd benefit from a lower transfer case ratio though. I'd love to see closer to 4:1.
Agreed. It's the ideal balance without a 6th gear. And there's no real development cost (can use 4.56/3.73 forged blanks for ring and pinion respectively). OEM front gears are readily available. I'm still surprised no one has ordered a batch. Samyang is the only mfg of 8.2 gears, so they'll be from the same place no matter who's box they're in. Just need someone to pick up the ratio.
I have one in my 3rd gen Tacoma and I’m not a fan… surprised it returned in the 4th gen. I heard somewhere the take rate on the 3rd gen was 5%I often wonder how a MT would be in a Toyota SUV when I'm towing with my GX in hilly terrain. Considering the amount of effort required to manually select the proper gear, then lock/unlock my torque converter via the WAT lockup switch (after selecting the proper gear and before shifting again), I honestly think a manual would be easier, safer, and more intuitive
I recall Mike from Marlin Crawler saying that they had a difficult time buying a MT Tacoma. Most dealers rejected even trying to order one for them on the basis that they were near impossible to sell otherwise.
The only places I'd want an MT in a modern vehicle would be for routine use in a lot of snowy off-road terrain. There's certain things that you can't do with an AT in snow that work in an MT, in somewhere like Africa where I could get the MT repaired and probably not the AT, and maybe in somewhere like Costa Rica or similar with very steep roads that I'd want to use the engine breaking more aggressively than I could with the AT. For me - I'd go AT without much thought.
Production not take… sorry. I will say though that I ended up with the MT because it had been sitting on the lot for over month. Dealer was trying to move it and no one wanted it. It’s a Pro too and this was back in 2017 when there was all kinds of hype.
I think they sort of go hand in hand a bit. Dealers don't want em because customers don't want them. I'd guess the buyers like you who took one off the dealer's hands for a discount offset the buyers who couldn't find one when they wanted it. The take rate even if they were widely available would be pretty low in my estimation. I'm a surprised they're keeping the MT alive.
Who doesn't want their windows to regularly fall down an inch or so?
I love a 3 pedal German car and electric windows.
