I sincerely hope that Toyota's latest foray into diesel propulsion for the US market works out better than the last time. If so we may get a shot at the 1VD in a real truck.
Would You Buy a Diesel 200?
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There never has been an engine or transmission option in the US.
It has always been My Way Or The Highway.
It has always been My Way Or The Highway.
I am really struggling with why I don't close or move this thread. I do see some good tech discussion, but a poll on if you would run down and buy one isnt really tech
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Damn fine gift by the way.
Damn fine gift by the way.
Markuson
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(Off the original topic, I know, sorry)
Again, look at all the 4 door Wranglers running around. Have you SEEN the inside of one of those things?? As soon as they were released they've been easily outselling the 2 door models.
JK 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Total
Wrangler 50,247 58,824 35,060 57,446 53,760 74,665
Unlimited 63,638 95,239 41,768 84,847 82,864 117,296
t o t a l 113,885 154,063 76,828 142,293 136,624 191,961
Jeep Wrangler history and production numbers, US/Canada, 1987-current
My point is, Wranglers are pretty bare bones and they sell pretty well. My question is, why Toyota doesnt have a model to grab their share of that market?
Agreed. In the US Billy Bob drives a diesel, not Clarence Country Club.
Would I buy a 200 series diesel? No, I couldn't afford it. If I could afford it? No.
Which market? Toyota has said due to lawsuits they don’t want in the short wheel base off road market in the US. If you are arguing there is a “bare bones” market then you’d need to breakdown Wrangler sales by option package. But I’m still not sure that tells you much. Obviously most “off road capable” vehicles in the US are not really purchased with that intent. The diesel pickups here are quite optioned out for a reason. I think it’s a more complicated question.
The first moderator doesn't have a chance.
Damn fine gift by the way.
I say let it sit. And I’m not scared of Romer.
I politely call Bullshizzle.
I see a hell of a lot of Mercedes Blu-tec diesels all over Los Angeles ... As well as Chebby Cruise, TDI VWs, etc ...
There's an artificial dearth of diesels in the US because of Al Gore.
another thing to consider is besides this group and others like us, who really uses their truck as a truck and not just an overgrown car to get the kiddos to soccer practice? we are the minority that actually use the truck as a truck and it dosnt pay financially to cater to such a niche market. the only range the soccer moms care about is how long that bottle of wine is going to last, not if they can make it out to the woods for a weekend of camping and wheeling on on 1 tank and not need to bring the jerry cans.
would it be awesome to get a diesel lc, absolutely, but it would be a very long shot as toyota has said many times that they wouldnt bring a diesel to the us market. main factor is cost of fuel, from what ive been told the cost of the fuel would go up as the demand for diesel fuel goes up thus making it less economical the to owner and the advantages in saving based on fuel efficiency is not there.
would it be awesome to get a diesel lc, absolutely, but it would be a very long shot as toyota has said many times that they wouldnt bring a diesel to the us market. main factor is cost of fuel, from what ive been told the cost of the fuel would go up as the demand for diesel fuel goes up thus making it less economical the to owner and the advantages in saving based on fuel efficiency is not there.
Ghostrider I
I wear many "heads" as I have many vehicles.
I don't think it's Gore's fault. Diesels are cleaner in Europe, due to the Green party in Germany.
In my current neck of the woods diesel fuel is 20% higher than regular gas. When I bought my Dodge Cummins 29 years ago diesel was cheaper than gas.
I’ve had two Cummins turbo diesel‘s in Dodge 1 ton 4 x 4‘s Like you said back in the day diesel was cheaper plus the diesels would run forever now with all the emissions equipment they have to put on them I don’t think the reliability is there the mileage is Down and fuels even more expensive Then gas I don’t see many benefits not when the engine Toyota put in our 200 will last As long as any diesel and with fewer issues then the current emission strangling diesels
icorradoi
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Do they still build the 70 Series in Venezuela? I imagine that the 70's built down there are not Diesel powered, right? Since gasoline had been so cheap historically.
Toyota could build the 70 Series in Mexico cheaply enough to sell it in the US and compete with the Wrangler. We probably wouldn't get a Diesel option, but I think the Tacoma's V6 or the 5.7 would be just fine for a 70 Series in the US.
Pretty sure it'll never happen, which is too bad. Seems like no one wants to compete with Jeep for market share.
Toyota could build the 70 Series in Mexico cheaply enough to sell it in the US and compete with the Wrangler. We probably wouldn't get a Diesel option, but I think the Tacoma's V6 or the 5.7 would be just fine for a 70 Series in the US.
Pretty sure it'll never happen, which is too bad. Seems like no one wants to compete with Jeep for market share.
Everything except food and freedom.
Venezuela's inflation rates are now highest in the world, sending food prices through the roof
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It is awesome/crazy how many Wranglers Jeep sells. I would say they're utilitarian rather than strippers. Still plenty of accessories, trims, and options to be had on them.
We were talking about a 70-series as a de-contented and stripped down version of the 200-series to make a price point. Rather than to take a basic heep and building it up with all those trims and accessories to arrive at the price point of the higher end Jeep... for which a stripped 70-series would be priced at. They really wouldn't be comparable that way. As I said earlier, no one wants to pay for only good bones.
Toyota did try to tap into the market with the FJ. While it did well, it's still not enough of the pie to keep the product going. Jeep is selling much more than just a vehicle. They're at a critical mass of popularity and aftermarket, that they're selling a community and lifestyle product. Toyota has that in the Tacoma to some degree, even if the Colorado is a competitive product on paper.
