Wits End Order Issues / Joey Romero (18 Viewers)

[ryaneddy16]

1995 -1997 FZJ80, 1996-1997 LX450 Turbo Kit | Cruisers and Company

The Cruisers and Company Turbo Kit supplies everything you need to have a running, driving, Turbo'd 1995 -1997 FZJ80 or 1996-1997 LX450. Our kit took our test rig, a 1997 LX450 with 75K miles on the engine and 348K on the transmission, from 146HP/191FTLBS to 210HP/290FTLBS on 7.25 lbs of boost...

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If you want a kit and actually get it here ya go!

 

[PIP]

Turbo kits in stock ready to ship? No claims of shipping 33 million orders per week, no postal strikes, no medical disasters, no lawyers, no forced bankruptcy or suppliers that have to sell the products the shop never paid them for to get their money?

This sounds like a very boring turbo kit to me. No entertainment. The parts probably fit and work as good as they look too.

BORING

 

[PDXDave67]

Turbo kits in stock ready to ship? No claims of shipping 33 million orders per week, no postal strikes, no medical disasters, no lawyers, no forced bankruptcy or suppliers that have to sell the products the shop never paid them for to get their money?

This sounds like a very boring turbo kit to me. No entertainment. The parts probably fit and work as good as they look too.

BORING

Sorry, but when I see the words "pre order" I run the other way...
Fool me one and all that.

I truly hope this is a viable kit that completely ripped off his Joeyness's hard work, yet without all the financial sodomy.

 

[ryaneddy16]

Sorry, but when I see the words "pre order" I run the other way...
Fool me one and all that.

I truly hope this is a viable kit that completely ripped off his Joeyness's hard work, yet without all the financial sodomy.

Cruisers and Company 80 Series Turbo

You are not the only genius to 3 link an 80. If you are all about design and development then you ought to know better and support those who are trying. Because I don't see you posting anything about a production turbo kit built to what you imagine it could be. Of course not, but I’m once of...

forum.ih8mud.com

read the first post

 

[PIP]

Sorry, but when I see the words "pre order" I run the other way...
Fool me one and all that.

I truly hope this is a viable kit that completely ripped off his Joeyness's hard work, yet without all the financial sodomy.

They say it's not a pre-order even though the site says pre-order? There's a thread on it in the 80 section. Defer to it for details.

 

[PDXDave67]

Cruisers and Company 80 Series Turbo

You are not the only genius to 3 link an 80. If you are all about design and development then you ought to know better and support those who are trying. Because I don't see you posting anything about a production turbo kit built to what you imagine it could be. Of course not, but I’m once of...

forum.ih8mud.com

read the first post

Site says "pre-order"

 

[Mudder]

At least they’re honest as to why it says pre order. They claim to have everything in stock, they just don’t want to oversell and not be able to fulfill orders.

Site says "pre-order"

Before we dive into what's included I want to give some insight and be completely transparent on how we have decided to launch our system. We are producing these in batches and only the allotted # of kits we have produced will be available for purchase and then they will be out of stock and it will be unable to be ordered until the next batch is ready. If you hop on the website right now you'll find it says available for preorder. We use Wix to host our website and to prevent more purchases than what we have on hand we have to list it as a "preorder" if we want to limit the # of sales to what we actually have in stock. Why Wix doesn't let "in stock" items fall to zero then go "out of stock" I don't understand, it's something were working through. They are in stock even though it says preorder. Everything in our first batch has been completed and we are just waiting on our finalized heavy duty boxes to show up this week so we can have a packing party and ship them!

 

[Cruisers and Co]

At least they’re honest as to why it says pre order. They claim to have everything in stock, they just don’t want to oversell and not be able to fulfill orders.

This is correct. Limitations of wix unfortunately, very frustrating that you cannot set a stock # and then when it hits zero for it to automatically go out of stock. When the preorder amount is purchased it will automatically go out of stock and we can't sell more than we have.

@PDXDave67 I know you're past buying a turbo but Stephen (fellow turbo purchaser who was screwed, don't know his mud name and will not post last name) saw all the fabricated parts and two kits before Christmas when he stopped by our shop to ride in the turbo truck. I'm guessing you have his contact info. Maybe he would be willing to confirm this.

Also I don't want to disrupt/clutter this thread so if anyone has any other questions please join us over here

Thanks!

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

50 sets of press tools are about ready to add to website and ship. I upgraded these with case hardening on this run. TT edition and a higher quality and ethics standard.

NO.... I WILL NOT PRE-SALE ... Once these are packaged and on the website it is first come, first served. Will ship immediately.

I made a few extra trays for the guys that bought the last batch of tools only.

Jason
Trail Tailor

 

[OGBeno]

So quick question, Jason: Did you measure the tooling diameters vs. actual bushings?

We’ve been having a lot of issues with the diameters of the original tooling corresponding with the bushings and the ID of the arms.

Just wondering if you just copied a set for this run or actually measured out the tooling vs the parts.

Thanks.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

So quick question, Jason: Did you measure the tooling diameters vs. actual bushings?

We’ve been having a lot of issues with the diameters of the original tooling corresponding with the bushings and the ID of the arms.

Just wondering if you just copied a set for this run or actually measured out the tooling vs the parts.

Thanks.

O,

Answer is both.

The tooling is reduced by a couple thousands from the original sets we machined for WE. I, as others, have had the same issues, mainly the largest two tools.

Have to measure the ID of part so the tool will not stick, but keep it large enough to stay in contact with the bulk of the bush sleeve OD. Makes for a compound critical dimension and a touch one at that.

The bushes are oversized per the part ID, which is the way it is engineered, otherwise it won't hold in the part. But you can't take too much off the OD of the tooling or there's not enough face to keep the bush centered for a straight press. By reducing these a little it has helped with the ID part sticking issue. But, the main one is that most of the parts are not flat. Just the nature of the mass production casting world and the bush cocks to one side when being pressed. This even happens on the machined sleeves I make for my panhard bars and control arms from time to time and its just the opposite; it's the bushing steel itself that is sometimes clipped at a slight angle and making it hard to keep straight. Once that sleeve is "wedge indented" its a pain to correct the misalignment moving forward as you know and then jams up the tool too.

Again the nature of a bonded/sleeved bush.

Jason

 

[Cruisers and Co]

O,

Answer is both.

The tooling is reduced by a couple thousands from the original sets we machined for WE. I, as others, have had the same issues, mainly the largest two tools.

Have to measure the ID of part so the tool will not stick, but keep it large enough to stay in contact with the bulk of the bush sleeve OD. Makes for a compound critical dimension and a touch one at that.

The bushes are oversized per the part ID, which is the way it is engineered, otherwise it won't hold in the part. But you can't take too much off the OD of the tooling or there's not enough face to keep the bush centered for a straight press. By reducing these a little it has helped with the ID part sticking issue. But, the main one is that most of the parts are not flat. Just the nature of the mass production casting world and the bush cocks to one side when being pressed. This even happens on the machined sleeves I make for my panhard bars and control arms from time to time and its just the opposite; it's the bushing steel itself that is sometimes clipped at a slight angle and making it hard to keep straight. Once that sleeve is "wedge indented" its a pain to correct the misalignment moving forward as you know and then jams up the tool too.

Again the nature of a bonded/sleeved bush.

Jason

Another question about these/updates

Did you recess the counterbores any deeper than the originals? When using the originals with OME castor correction bushing it has happened a couple times where the inner sleeve for the bolt gets pushed out because in those bushings it is a two piece sleeve and the half not against the press tool falls out during the pressing.

I don't know if this is the depth not being quite enough because the tolerance on the OME sleeve may be larger than the OEM bushing or as the bushing goes in does it squeeze the sleeve out.

Then it becomes a bit of a pain to get the sleeve back in and the arms on the truck. I'm guessing these were originally designed for the OEM bushings

Thanks
Johnny

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Another question about these/updates

Did you recess the counterbores any deeper than the originals? When using the originals with OME castor correction bushing it has happened a couple times where the inner sleeve for the bolt gets pushed out because in those bushings it is a two piece sleeve and the half not against the press tool falls out during the pressing.

I don't know if this is the depth not being quite enough because the tolerance on the OME sleeve may be larger than the OEM bushing or as the bushing goes in does it squeeze the sleeve out.

Then it becomes a bit of a pain to get the sleeve back in and the arms on the truck. I'm guessing these were originally designed for the OEM bushings

Thanks
Johnny

The recess stayed the same. But will look at this modification if I make a second run.

J

 

[SNLC]

O,

Answer is both.

The tooling is reduced by a couple thousands from the original sets we machined for WE. I, as others, have had the same issues, mainly the largest two tools.

Have to measure the ID of part so the tool will not stick, but keep it large enough to stay in contact with the bulk of the bush sleeve OD. Makes for a compound critical dimension and a touch one at that.

The bushes are oversized per the part ID, which is the way it is engineered, otherwise it won't hold in the part. But you can't take too much off the OD of the tooling or there's not enough face to keep the bush centered for a straight press. By reducing these a little it has helped with the ID part sticking issue. But, the main one is that most of the parts are not flat. Just the nature of the mass production casting world and the bush cocks to one side when being pressed. This even happens on the machined sleeves I make for my panhard bars and control arms from time to time and its just the opposite; it's the bushing steel itself that is sometimes clipped at a slight angle and making it hard to keep straight. Once that sleeve is "wedge indented" its a pain to correct the misalignment moving forward as you know and then jams up the tool too.

Again the nature of a bonded/sleeved bush.

Jason

Yup, we used the old kit last week. One jammed and it took 12tons to get it unjammed.

Cheers

 

[PIP]

I make the tools to install and remove big diesel wrist pin bushings that are tapered (the bushings get narrower towards the piston top). They have the same kinds of challenges as the bushings shrink as they enter the bore. For me, it was just a lot of time measuring, testing and keeping the hard edges of the tool as crisp as possible, virtually no chamfers so there is as much bearing surface as you can get. Very small dimensional changes make a pretty big difference, atleast for my application.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

I make the tools to install and remove big diesel wrist pin bushings that are tapered (the bushings get narrower towards the piston top). They have the same kinds of challenges as the bushings shrink as they enter the bore. For me, it was just a lot of time measuring, testing and keeping the hard edges of the tool as crisp as possible, virtually no chamfers so there is as much bearing surface as you can get. Very small dimensional changes make a pretty big difference, atleast for my application.

Exactly. The old material was soft and once damage just made it harder to use and it was used.

J

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Yup, we used the old kit last week. One jammed and it took 12tons to get it unjammed.

Cheers

I think we were the 3rd maybe 4th shop he used to make the tools. I know there were changes from those to the ones we originally machined and now these.

I kept a new set of the first ones we ran for him as a physical reference set and made changes based on those and added the case hardening to keep the edges from rolling/getting damaged.

Jason
TT

 

[JoeCova]

50 sets of press tools are about ready to add to website and ship. I upgraded these with case hardening on this run. TT edition and a higher quality and ethics standard.

NO.... I WILL NOT PRE-SALE ... Once these are packaged and on the website it is first come, first served. Will ship immediately.

I made a few extra trays for the guys that bought the last batch of tools only.

Jason
Trail Tailor

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Sold as a set only?

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Sold as a set only?

Sets only

Jason
TT

 

[raisinhell2]

I think we were the 3rd maybe 4th shop he used to make the tools. I know there were changes from those to the ones we originally machined and now these.

I kept a new set of the first ones we ran for him as a physical reference set and made changes based on those and added the case hardening to keep the edges from rolling/getting damaged.

Jason
TT

Wish you would have let us know this before you sold us the last sets.. Seems you must have known seeing you made the needed changes on the next sets. I wouldn't have bought them if I knew they needed changes/ upgrades. Now I have a set of brand new dies I can't sell.. to buy ones without issues 180 bucks wasted