WIll this custom paint kill resale value? (1 Viewer)

[Supra Turbo]

Specialty vehicle?? Come on. I love my LC…but…it is not a Lexus LFA….

Sell it how? On forums? On eBay? Facebook marketplace? Let strange people come to your house? Meet strange people at locations?

Time consuming. Time is money for me. Safety. As of now, i am still worth more alive than dead to my family.

And as i have shown above, used car dealers are selling LC/LX at very reasonable non-specialty (almost typical depreciation) prices. For me, used car dealers have the pulse of the car market and are not afraid to screw you out of your last penny!! And for them to price our belove LC/LX at relatively “ordinary” prices at this time (note: market still hot) tells you that we do not own a specialty vehicle no matter how much we may think otherwise.

I think you're getting too hung up on the LC being referenced as a 'specialty vehicle'. IMO, the low volume of these rigs sold relative to other Toyota SUVs already makes it a specialty vehicle.

Millions of ways to sell. Ever heard of banks, police stations, courthouses, etc. But if you're too scared to meet strangers, maybe public places are not for you

Jokes aside, time is irrelevant here. Lets compare apples to apples. The market has started to cool off and as you pointed out, the KBB valuation does not reflect this.

 

[Madtiger]

I think you're getting too hung up on the LC being referenced as a 'specialty vehicle'. IMO, the low volume of these rigs sold relative to other Toyota SUVs already makes it a specialty vehicle.

Millions of ways to sell. Ever heard of banks, police stations, courthouses, etc. But if you're too scared to meet strangers, maybe public places are not for you

Jokes aside, time is irrelevant here. Lets compare apples to apples. The market has started to cool off and as you pointed out, the KBB valuation does not reflect this.

So, now you agree that LC/LX value has gone down? See, you now see my point all along. LC/LX is nothing special in used market. Low volume sold…means no one wants it. Thus, Toyota canceled it. I would imagine that a Camry resale value relative to MSRP will be just as good if not better than LC.

 

[Supra Turbo]

So, now you agree that LC/LX value has gone down? See, you now see my point all along. LC/LX is nothing special in used market. Low volume sold…means no one wants it. Thus, Toyota canceled it. I would imagine that a Camry resale value relative to MSRP will be just as good if not better than LC.

Where did I disagree that LC values have gone down to begin with? If anything, I stated the opposite "market has started to cool off"

I said and again quote "I find [KBB] almost always inaccurate to real market rates", which by your own example from TDA proves my point.

With regards to cancellation - not many can afford a $90k Toyota, it doesn't mean no one wants it

 

[Madtiger]

Where did I disagree that LC values have gone down to begin with? If anything, I stated the opposite "market has started to cool off"

I said and again quote "I find [KBB] almost always inaccurate to real market rates", which by your own example from TDA proves my point.

With regards to cancellation - not many can afford a $90k Toyota, it doesn't mean no one wants it

Ah ok…..i misunderstood your many postings in this thread about the “specialty level” high resale value of LC/LX then. My bad.

 

[ekolpack]

(i don't think anyone is arguing here that your vehicle is an undriveable salvage wreck,

See quoted:

But to average Joe, all there is a salvage title and body damage.

a salvaged body damage needing repaint vehicle…no matter how much extra aftermarket stuff you have on it.

sell it and get what? A Yugo? Pontiac Aztec? Bicycle?

The strawman is that my truck is a salvage title (wrong), body damaged (wrong, fixed), hacked up wiring harness (wrong) wreck that's maybe worth as much as a Yugo and really just a vehicle for my "ultimate stereo build" and is worth less now than it went for at auction before months of repairs and upgrades. Saying it has a salvage title means it is legally undriveable on public roads and only good for wreck/salvage....that's how a salvage title works.

The fact is your truck wouldn't possibly qualify as a collector's item having a rebuilt title,

Nowhere have I ever claimed it would qualify as a collector's item.

I get the argument that because it has a rebuilt title, it'll never qualify as a perfect example of a pristine LC, so maybe non-OEM paint wouldn't be as big of a factor, but as others have said, it'd still be a factor. I think your 23-28k assessment is probably accurate, but echoing the advice of others, I don't agree that the paint job will make little or no difference in resale. If it's sprayed with Raptor Liner it'll be a lot closer to that $23k (or considerably less) versus closer to $28k if it's professionally done OEM color, cut, buffed, polished, and ceramic coated paint using show quality PPG base and clear.

Also, yes, the HU "could crap out at any time", but so could the stock one. If both are brand new, obviously I'll take the JDM Toyota LC head unit all day every day. But a brand new Chinese HU vs a 15 year old, discontinued outdated technology HU with aging components......that choice isn't so obvious. I'd still probably take the OEM for reliability alone, but at the cost of increasingly outdated tech AND increasingly less reliability as each year goes by. So yeah, at some point, the option for an endless supply of brand new head units with the latest updated modern tech becomes a more compelling case. For me, that time is now.

Again, it really sucks that Toyota's infotainment is always 1-2 generations behind even when it's brand new, to say nothing of decades down the line. And yes, the sound system was also extremely disappointing. Maybe addressing these shortcomings kills the value for you and others, but I think it'd have the opposite impact for many, especially younger folks who genuinely use and care about this kinda stuff.

 

[AnyMal]

I hate to be that guy but paying $40-50k for a 10+ year old truck is mind boggling to me.

I bought my 470 at around that age for less than half that. And that was a true classic!

I feel bad for those in the market but as a young guy trying to buy a house, im right there with you. I will wait though. Rent is 50%+ cheaper than mortgage where I live. I just have to wait out the boomers .

Point is i kind of agree with @Madtiger its not unicorn, don’t simp after them. Specially not when the new tundra and sequoia are so good and heavily updated.

 

[ekolpack]

I hate to be that guy but paying $40-50k for a 10+ year old truck is mind boggling to me.

I bought my 470 at around that age for less than half that. And that was a true classic!

I feel bad for those in the market but as a young guy trying to buy a house, im right there with you. I will wait though. Rent is 50%+ cheaper than mortgage where I live. I just have to wait out the boomers .

Point is i kind of agree with @Madtiger its not unicorn, don’t simp after them. Specially not when the new tundra and sequoia are so good and heavily updated.

The new Tundra and Sequoia are rad, but I wouldn't put them in the same class as a TLC, especially an older TLC. Honestly, your 470 is probably the height of overall quality for Land Cruisers and Toyota/Lexus in general. It seems little things started slipping after that generation....nothing major, just some little stuff Toyota started doing to cut corners or increase profits, or just to improve their CAFE numbers. Scotty Kilmer has pointed out some of this stuff on the newest Yotas.

I was strongly considering a 100 Series, and still think they're maybe a slightly better overall vehicle (debatable) than a 200. What really sold me on the 200 was timing chain vs belt, larger engine with more HP/torque, slightly larger, and better platform for modern features. That said, I'm not sure I'd buy a brand new Toyota truck even if I could afford one. And I have serious reservations about the 300 Series Cruiser, it's turbo engine, and overall quality vs older LC's.

With this in mind, older, more reliable NA vehicles with less corners cut start to look more enticing than modern turbo vehicles with a bunch of little compromises and tricks to force you to spend more $ at the stealership. As such, with higher demand on these vehicles comes higher prices. The days of Toyota/Lexus making vehicles like the LX470 and LS430, lightyears ahead of the competition in almost every metric and supremely reliable while still being reasonably priced are long gone. Just my $0.02.

 

[Madtiger]

See quoted:






The strawman is that my truck is a salvage title (wrong), body damaged (wrong, fixed), hacked up wiring harness (wrong) wreck that's maybe worth as much as a Yugo and really just a vehicle for my "ultimate stereo build" and is worth less now than it went for at auction before months of repairs and upgrades. Saying it has a salvage title means it is legally undriveable on public roads and only good for wreck/salvage....that's how a salvage title works.



Nowhere have I ever claimed it would qualify as a collector's item.

I get the argument that because it has a rebuilt title, it'll never qualify as a perfect example of a pristine LC, so maybe non-OEM paint wouldn't be as big of a factor, but as others have said, it'd still be a factor. I think your 23-28k assessment is probably accurate, but echoing the advice of others, I don't agree that the paint job will make little or no difference in resale. If it's sprayed with Raptor Liner it'll be a lot closer to that $23k (or considerably less) versus closer to $28k if it's professionally done OEM color, cut, buffed, polished, and ceramic coated paint using show quality PPG base and clear.

Also, yes, the HU "could crap out at any time", but so could the stock one. If both are brand new, obviously I'll take the JDM Toyota LC head unit all day every day. But a brand new Chinese HU vs a 15 year old, discontinued outdated technology HU with aging components......that choice isn't so obvious. I'd still probably take the OEM for reliability alone, but at the cost of increasingly outdated tech AND increasingly less reliability as each year goes by. So yeah, at some point, the option for an endless supply of brand new head units with the latest updated modern tech becomes a more compelling case. For me, that time is now.

Again, it really sucks that Toyota's infotainment is always 1-2 generations behind even when it's brand new, to say nothing of decades down the line. And yes, the sound system was also extremely disappointing. Maybe addressing these shortcomings kills the value for you and others, but I think it'd have the opposite impact for many, especially younger folks who genuinely use and care about this kinda stuff.

Best way to prove your point is test the market. Get appraisals.

 

[Madtiger]

The new Tundra and Sequoia are rad, but I wouldn't put them in the same class as a TLC, especially an older TLC. Honestly, your 470 is probably the height of overall quality for Land Cruisers and Toyota/Lexus in general. It seems little things started slipping after that generation....nothing major, just some little stuff Toyota started doing to cut corners or increase profits, or just to improve their CAFE numbers. Scotty Kilmer has pointed out some of this stuff on the newest Yotas.

I was strongly considering a 100 Series, and still think they're maybe a slightly better overall vehicle (debatable) than a 200. What really sold me on the 200 was timing chain vs belt, larger engine with more HP/torque, and better platform for modern features. That said, I'm not sure I'd buy a brand new Toyota truck even if I could afford one. And I have serious reservations about the 300 Series Cruiser, it's turbo engine, and overall quality vs older LC's.

And as you said, prices are absolutely insane. Also, they are moving away from NA and towards less-reliable, more costly-to-repair turbos, as well as electric-hybirds (whole other can of worms). Their technology, while much better, is still lacking vs competition. And frankly, competitors are starting to catch up. The days of LX470's and LS430's being lightyears ahead of the competition in almost every metric while still being priced reasonably are long gone. Just my $0.02.

I disagree. 100 series IMHO were the worst ones from design, engineering, blah, and it had its fair share of mechanical issues.

 

[AnyMal]

The new Tundra and Sequoia are rad, but I wouldn't put them in the same class as a TLC, especially an older TLC. Honestly, your 470 is probably the height of overall quality for Land Cruisers and Toyota/Lexus in general. It seems little things started slipping after that generation....nothing major, just some little stuff Toyota started doing to cut corners or increase profits, or just to improve their CAFE numbers. Scotty Kilmer has pointed out some of this stuff on the newest Yotas.

I was strongly considering a 100 Series, and still think they're maybe a slightly better overall vehicle (debatable) than a 200. What really sold me on the 200 was timing chain vs belt, larger engine with more HP/torque, slightly larger, and better platform for modern features. That said, I'm not sure I'd buy a brand new Toyota truck even if I could afford one. And I have serious reservations about the 300 Series Cruiser, it's turbo engine, and overall quality vs older LC's.

With this in mind, older, more reliable NA vehicles with less corners cut start to look more enticing than modern turbo vehicles with a bunch of little compromises and tricks to force you to spend more $ at the stealership. As such, with higher demand on these vehicles comes higher prices. The days of Toyota/Lexus making vehicles like the LX470 and LS430, lightyears ahead of the competition in almost every metric and supremely reliable while still being reasonably priced are long gone. Just my $0.02.

Completely agree. The 470 was immaculate for its era.

 

[AnyMal]

I disagree. 100 series IMHO were the worst ones from design, engineering, blah, and it had its fair share of mechanical issues.

Nah, last opening rear windows, 2UZ was literally bulletproof, design was / is timeless, features were not a decade behind competitors, fully removable one latch third row, dual tpms, night vision, lighter, and got a 6spd later in life. If it wasnt for rust i would have never gotten rid of that one.

 

[ekolpack]

Nah, last opening rear windows, 2UZ was literally bulletproof, design was / is timeless, features were not a decade behind competitors, fully removable one latch third row, dual tpms, night vision, lighter, and got a 6spd later in life. If it wasnt for rust i would have never gotten rid of that one.

^ All this. I think they look rad too, perfect blend of oldschool retro and modern. Beautiful vehicles. For a couple years didn't they have an option for factory dual lockers as well? The interiors on these things are amazing as well....leather is top notch, soft as hell yet will last the life of the vehicle if not abused. I could've probably lived with the slightly smaller size, less power, older tech (still upgradeable), etc....but thoughts of that stupid timing belt failing was the final straw that turned me to the 200's. Otherwise I'd probably have a 100 series.

 

[Madtiger]

I will have what you guys are smoking!

Boring design (nothing classic about it; LC80 was a beauty!), exhaust manifold fiasco, Torsion bar IFS; rear locker only first few years, after that, just ATRAC which was just underwhelming (aka useless) off-road. Interior was so-so, but that is on par with early LC200.

(TBH, 100 series was the reason i got the G-wagen instead!)

 

[Supra Turbo]

I hate to be that guy but paying $40-50k for a 10+ year old truck is mind boggling to me.

Point is i kind of agree with @Madtiger its not unicorn, don’t simp after them. Specially not when the new tundra and sequoia are so good and heavily updated.

I'll throw some more fuel into the fire...

We paid mid-$60's for our nearly 10 year old LC and no new Tundra or Sequoia were even in consideration. As @ekolpack pointed out, different class entirely...

 

[Heritage 2020]

It appears a debate around something other than the OPs question about color has started.

Personally, as an Army Veteran—I think the Toyota “Army green” color is HIDEOUS. I’d never buy a green vehicle.

Perhaps that is because I looked at shades of flat green, flat tan, and various patterns of such for 20 yrs, lol.

My favorite car colors are silver, white, medium gray—which happen to be the colors of every vehicle in our family.

From a resale standpoint, apparently those colors do quite well if resale is a true concern.

 

[Pierce]

I’m in the don’t ask a bunch of hardcore collectors and enthusiasts for opinions on what you should do with your vehicle… do your thing… we want originality so that we can screw them up ourselves.

Personally my ‘97 and ‘16 play audiobooks wonderfully and I can’t imagine why anyone would want something “modern”. You can really feel the words.

The rear screens bring me back to my youth with the highly granulated images. It’s like going back in time. You get to use your imagination more.

My 16’ had a respray on the passenger side that I was too excited to see when I bought it. I told myself “it’s only 3 years old; it’s just your imagination.” Now I just tell myself “it’s not original anymore so nothing I do really matters” it’s freeing really.

The ‘97 will age in comfort. The ‘16 will get drug all over the county in a few years when my wife releases it. I’ll remorselessly put tens of thousands of miles on it. It’ll be maintained relentlessly but i won’t lose a wink of sleep over the 3rd pin stripe (came with 2).

This is all true and pure sarcasm.

My heart generally drops when I see CLASSIC, ORIGINAL, well cared for rigs getting hacked up and “modernized”. Mine and yours aren’t original and never will be again. Have fun.

 

[AnyMal]

I’m in the don’t ask a bunch of hardcore collectors and enthusiasts for opinions on what you should do with your vehicle… do your thing… we want originality so that we can screw them up ourselves.

Personally my ‘97 and ‘16 play audiobooks wonderfully and I can’t imagine why anyone would want something “modern”. You can really feel the words.

The rear screens bring me back to my youth with the highly granulated images. It’s like going back in time. You get to use your imagination more.

My 16’ had a respray on the passenger side that I was too excited to see when I bought it. I told myself “it’s only 3 years old; it’s just your imagination.” Now I just tell myself “it’s not original anymore so nothing I do really matters” it’s freeing really.

The ‘97 will age in comfort. The ‘16 will get drug all over the county in a few years when my wife releases it. I’ll remorselessly put tens of thousands of miles on it. It’ll be maintained relentlessly but i won’t lose a wink of sleep over the 3rd pin stripe (came with 2).

This is all true and pure sarcasm.

My heart generally drops when I see CLASSIC, ORIGINAL, well cared for rigs getting hacked up and “modernized”. Mine and yours aren’t original and never will be again. Have fun.

Yeah I gotta remind myself to have fun.

Sam on the boards had an army green raptor liner 470 with custom bumpers he made himself. Best looking 100 ive ever seen.

You can find it on YouTube. I know its a pain to maintain it but j would definitely liner my truck at some point. You probably lose a mile or two per gallon as well .

 

[Pierce]

Yeah I gotta remind myself to have fun.

Sam on the boards had an army green raptor liner 470 with custom bumpers he made himself. Best looking 100 ive ever seen.

You can find it on YouTube. I know its a pain to maintain it but j would definitely liner my truck at some point. You probably lose a mile or two per gallon as well .

But if golf ball rules are in effect it’d probably fly much more predictably.

 

[Heritage 2020]

I’m in the don’t ask a bunch of hardcore collectors and enthusiasts for opinions on what you should do with your vehicle… do your thing… we want originality so that we can screw them up ourselves.

Personally my ‘97 and ‘16 play audiobooks wonderfully and I can’t imagine why anyone would want something “modern”. You can really feel the words.

The rear screens bring me back to my youth with the highly granulated images. It’s like going back in time. You get to use your imagination more.

My 16’ had a respray on the passenger side that I was too excited to see when I bought it. I told myself “it’s only 3 years old; it’s just your imagination.” Now I just tell myself “it’s not original anymore so nothing I do really matters” it’s freeing really.

The ‘97 will age in comfort. The ‘16 will get drug all over the county in a few years when my wife releases it. I’ll remorselessly put tens of thousands of miles on it. It’ll be maintained relentlessly but i won’t lose a wink of sleep over the 3rd pin stripe (came with 2).

This is all true and pure sarcasm.

My heart generally drops when I see CLASSIC, ORIGINAL, well cared for rigs getting hacked up and “modernized”. Mine and yours aren’t original and never will be again. Have fun.

Life is short. Have fun. Run your vehicles into the ground—or someone else will eventually.

Dripping with sarcasm: There are better investments than cars and trucks in case some haven’t noticed, lol.

 

[shelby95]

The strawmanning here is insane. I simply want a good sound system, modern features, and a nice paint job. Clearly if someone wants mediocre/bad sound, 2002 technology, and a 15 year old clear coat, there are plenty of other bone stock vehicles to buy. But as others have pointed out, folks on this forum will tend to be more obsessed with only OEM stock JDM everything even if it kinda sucks. I don't think many non-enthusiasts care as long as it kinda doesn't suck. As others have also pointed out, it's worth whatever someone will pay. I personally would gladly pay a little for more, or at least not less, for a vehicle with upgrades that address some of the TLC's shortcomings. I suspect others would as well.

But yeah, okay, it's a junk salvage truck with a ton of damage that's just a platform for a stereo, and worth less now after repairs than it went for at auction originally. Got it. Thanks for the input.

You may need to look up the definition of “strawman.”

I simply want a good sound system, modern features, and a nice paint job.

Good for you. Nobody is telling you not to do what you like. You asked about resale value and apparently you don’t like the answers you are getting.

And, for the record, I am the one who said it‘s only worth what someone will pay for it. Go find one person that will pay what you want and it hasn’t hurt your resale value.