Almost all the diesel lovers in the US are driving around in cummins powered Dodge Rams.
Apart from those still holding onto their long in the tooth mercedes and VW diesels.
Who cares about looks! Is there a diesel option??
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Almost all the diesel lovers in the US are driving around in cummins powered Dodge Rams.
Apart from those still holding onto their long in the tooth mercedes and VW diesels.
Most people, once they have tasted the superiority of diesel never go back. Just like most people, when they have tasted the superiority of Landcruisers, never go back.
IMO, the Diesel Landcruiser is the summum of all summae
A lot of the pricing has to do with taxation, granted, but it also has to do with demand for heating oil and for greater and greater use of the base, from which diesel was originally derived, as a base for further processing into gasoline (by cracking IIRC).
cruiser_guy
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That's what the oil companies and government would like us to believe but when one looks overseas at Europe or here in Central America where there is a higher percentage of diesels than there is in Canada or the USA, the cost of diesel is about 80% or less than that of gasoline (it's NEVER equal or higher than regular gas, not even close). To me, that says that in Canada and the USA we who drive diesels are getting screwed by the government and by the oil companies.
Here in Guatemala diesel is running about $3/US gallon and gasoline is at about $4/US gallon, just like it should be when one looks at the oil and gas futures.
Also a look into the oil and gas futures in the local rag will bear this point out. Diesel futures are always less than gasoline. It makes sense since diesel is less refined than gasoline. The higher prices DO NOT make sense.
Here's a site that lists UK prices. Diesel is currently dearer than petrol.
http://www.petrolprices.com/
Here's an Aussie site. Diesel is dearer but diesels are still extremely popular in utes (pickups) and 4wd's. Diesel passenger cars in Aussie are rare, their car market is heavily regulated and hence heavily influenced by locally assembled or built vehicles.
http://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/
Here's a site that lists a lot of european countries. Diesel on average is certainly cheaper.
http://www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm
Yes, diesel here in the UK has been more expensive than petrol for many years.
I haven't looked at the figures myself, but it is widely reported that the price differential is due to heavier tax on diesel fuel.
Higher tax on diesel doubtless followed the growing pipularity of diesel engines in passenger vehicles due to their greater economy and the huge fuel taxes we pay. People switching to more economical cars and therefore paying less tax? That could never be allowed. Solution? Why, increase tax on the more economical fuel, of course. That way, with the lower base cost of diesel fuel, the thieving government actually winds up with more taxes than if everyone drove petrol cars. RESULT!
I haven't looked at the figures myself, but it is widely reported that the price differential is due to heavier tax on diesel fuel.
Higher tax on diesel doubtless followed the growing pipularity of diesel engines in passenger vehicles due to their greater economy and the huge fuel taxes we pay. People switching to more economical cars and therefore paying less tax? That could never be allowed. Solution? Why, increase tax on the more economical fuel, of course. That way, with the lower base cost of diesel fuel, the thieving government actually winds up with more taxes than if everyone drove petrol cars. RESULT!
cruiser_guy
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Both "Dougal" and "imprator" are confirming what I expected. If there is a low use of diesel vehicles by the electorate then the government will screw the diesel owners with onerous taxes (UK, Oz and Canada/USA). If there is a high diesel use and high taxes on diesel may effect future electability then they are more realistic in the taxation on diesel vs. gasoline!
Well check that out.
Toyota's UK website only has one blurb about the landcruiser and it's the diesel model.
0-60mph in 8.2 seconds.
Shotts, your old gas powered 100 series is a slug.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toy...=Standardundefined&id=MSR_LAND_CRUISER_AMAZON
Toyota's UK website only has one blurb about the landcruiser and it's the diesel model.
0-60mph in 8.2 seconds.
Shotts, your old gas powered 100 series is a slug.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toy...=Standardundefined&id=MSR_LAND_CRUISER_AMAZON
Wow.... Those specs are incredible! Almost twice the power of the 1HD-T, with a hardly larger engine displacement!
Yummy... Hopefully we'll be able to still get them in... FIFTEEN YEARS!!!
Yummy... Hopefully we'll be able to still get them in... FIFTEEN YEARS!!!
Petrol is more popular in cars here because its relaltively cheap compared to Euro fuel prices.
Diesel cars are not popular because they cost more to buy. Also small cars that get 35mpg on petrol make diesel economy unnecessary.
At one time all the car makers here offered a diesel alternative but most of them were deleted with poor sales
Those who do a lot of miles get LPG fitted which works out cheaper than diesel as LPG is not subject to fuel excise until july 2011
GM ,Ford,Toyota and others offer very good factory fitted LPG. Lpg costs 50c/litre vs diesel at $1.32
The fuel excise is in 4 levels based upon the energy content of the fuel .Diesel and petrol are both taxed at the highest rate,38 cents a litre,with business being able to claim all of it back in most cases
Biodiesel is 19 cents litre because presumably it is a greener fuel.
Australia uses plenty of diesel as most of the infrastructure relies on road transport. The rail system in oz is relatively small for a county of its size
Really? I can't recall holden or ford offering any diesel cars. There is the occasional mazda 323 diesel, but they're nothing to write home about.
Aus is an anomoly regarding LPG price, over the ditch the price is higher and the economics just aren't there.
Compare a diesel honda accord at 39mpg city, 60mpg highway with a petrol one at 25mpg city and 44mpg highway.
Combined is 50mpg diesel vs 35mpg petrol.
Did I mention the diesel has 150Nm more torque?
http://media.honda.co.uk/brochures/...load_brochure_confirm?brochureID=accordsaloon
Well check that out.
Toyota's UK website only has one blurb about the landcruiser and it's the diesel model.
0-60mph in 8.2 seconds.
Shotts, your old gas powered 100 series is a slug.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toy...=Standardundefined&id=MSR_LAND_CRUISER_AMAZON
A truly appalling couple of official Toyota pages. Firstly "comming" has surely only one 'm'. Secondly and unforgivably they should know that the current model is certainly not a "V6"
I hope they bring the diesel to the USA.
Yep the new turbo diesel is a slug allright
4.5 litre twin turbo V8 diesel 286 hp and 470 ft/lbf torque@1600 rpm is just a SLUG
Wish I owned a SLUG
Probably wouldn't pull the skin off a day old custard!
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
Yep....for the new engines that's a slug. I'll take the 381HP/407LBFT 5.7 V8.
Gasser .. ?
No thanks .. I would keep the Disel line .. and wait until some vendor offer nice Modified ECU and I can boost it up to + 16 PSI reaching 320 maybe or something close HP and off course more than 600 lb/p of torque ..
I can tell you that the one thing I agree with more than anything is the decline in the US morals. Between the media, Hollywood, and wacked out towns like San Fran, the decline of the family in the US is on the increase. All the shows feature sex and gays....hell, there's nothing to watch on TV any longer.
The effect...70%+ out of wedlock births in the Afr-Amer community. Illegal aliens out the butt because the US won't do anything to risk losing a vote. Rap/pimp music degrading women and the US. Don't get me started.
Well, at least we know what party is getting Shotts's vote!
Well, at least we know what party is getting Shotts's vote!
No you don't. San Fran and the far lefties don't even side with the Dem's. In fact, they even attacked Bill Clinton yesterday citing 911 was an inside job. He hammered back.
Gasser .. ?
No thanks .. I would keep the Disel line .. and wait until some vendor offer nice Modified ECU and I can boost it up to + 16 PSI reaching 320 maybe or something close HP and off course more than 600 lb/p of torque ..
I'd expect an engine like that to be running above 20psi boost in standard trim. How else do you think they get torque figures that high?
Still, the aftermarket will be interesting.
Yep....for the new engines that's a slug. I'll take the 381HP/407LBFT 5.7 V8.
Well the 5.7 V8 gasser is 26.67% bigger than the 4.5 diesel so you would expext some higher hp ratings. The little diesel does put out 470 ft/lb of torque from 1600 rpm where the big 5.7 doesn't get to 401 ft/lbs until 3600 rpm IIRC.
I'll take the diesel any day!
Tofudebeest said:
ShottsUZJ100 said:
At this point, I don't think ANYONE is worth getting my vote and certainly NOT Hillary!!!
[In case you wondered- Yeah, I'm a Cannuck, but I married an American and and it's not because we both think Bush is a moron and his government is evil that I am Anti-American, don't even think about getting me started, it could easily be argued that by their deceptive actions in the world, it is the Bush croonies that are in fact Anti-American!!!]
