Who cares about looks! Is there a diesel option??

[bulldog-yota]

Man....you are one dim bulb. There are several others on this TOYOTA forum who would like to see you gone also.

You're really good at misquoting people...you should run with that...I think FOX news is hiring your type.

Just do what I do, put Dougal on your ignore list. He brings nothing to the table, but his biased uninformed opinion. No relevant data, no references or sources. Then to try and defend his ignorance he misquoted or just takes pieces of what is written to suite his purposes or makes completely irrelevant comparisons against what was stated.

Last nonsense was the TQ curves he pulled out of his ass to try and prove what fat TQ curve means, when fat is actually how wide a curve is on the horizontal axis i.e. RPM range. I have not heard of anybody talk about fat when refering to the vertical axis i.e. that guy is really fat he is 7ft tall.

 

[bulldog-yota]

Well they need to build up the infrastructure to service these vehicles in NA, so I wouldn't expect to see it pop up immediately. Toyota seems a bit smarter than VW with the Touareg and Pheatom (sp?), where they introduced vehicles in markets than had no dealer infrastructure to service such spohisticated machinenary. That why it is crucial to get leveraged technology to recpoup the investment quicker. Somewhere there is always a bean counter lookign at numbers to see what is viable or not.

Actually found this. Total WW LC sales are almost 300K.
http://toyota.alsayeronline.com/English/toyota_models/landcruiser/history/html/sales/index.html

Toyota targeted 200K sales of the new Tundra in the first year in NA. Thus leverage will help a lot to get new tech in. LC/LX sales has been abismal since 2000 in NA, partly because of the Sequoia but mostly due to local market needs.

WW the LC will get the TD, but to get it in NA will require some manuevering and leverage. Teh Tundra will be the perfect platform to share it, whcih will allow ahigh enough volume to make the investment feasible. The gas V8 used that leverage now and in the past, so why not the TD??

Actually after going through the data on the linked page, going specifically to the Excal sheet showing WW production. It shows 95K wagons (100 series, et al) for 2006, the rest is made up of the HD (70, et al) and Prados (actually they were the biggest slice of the pie).

In AUgust 2007 they sold 18K Tundras in the US.

Thus 95K Cruiser wagons annually WW vs 18K Tundras a month in the US, means the Tundra is actually high volume player in a single country vs 100 series WW.

Thus the only chance to get a TD in the US might be if tthe Tundra gets it and they can leverage it for the Cruiser. I doubt Lexus will adopt a TD in thsi generation or any time in the foreseeable future.

For Toyota to release a Tundra with a TD, the TD will have to be in the same ballpark as the local competition in terms of power numbers, especially the way they market the new Tundra at the moment

 

[Sniperx]

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To be fair though, the world wide numbers don't include the most car hungry nation in the world, the US. Given the option, Tundra or LC or better....LC or ADM Diesel...I would like to think the results would be a bit different. The US is diesel and turbo shy though. Its all scary to them.

 

[bulldog-yota]

To be fair though, the world wide numbers don't include the most car hungry nation in the world, the US. Given the option, Tundra or LC or better....LC or ADM Diesel...I would like to think the results would be a bit different. The US is diesel and turbo shy though. Its all scary to them.

Actually the WW numbers do include the US, most of the number on the page show Japan and outside and then total.

The LC just isn't a big seller in the US though.

Either way I don't see the TD coming in a LC if it is not going to be available in the Tundra, and even if it is availabel in the Tundra it still might not be available in the LC. The LC is pretty much marketed as a Luxo SUV since '95 or so in the US, LR spends mroe money on marketing offroad capability on the LR3(Disco) and RR than Toyota spends on the LC. Actually I haven't seen them spend much money on marketing the LC in a long time (might explain the slow sales).

In actual fact Lexus has sold more LX's for some time than Toyota has sold LC's.

 

[uzj100]

The slow sales is all part of a master plan from Toyota.

 

[tntoyota]

To be fair though, the world wide numbers don't include the most car hungry nation in the world, the US. Given the option, Tundra or LC or better....LC or ADM Diesel...I would like to think the results would be a bit different. The US is diesel and turbo shy though. Its all scary to them.

BS!!


It was a ploy to introduce the chevy diesel, cause and effect!



We're smarter than that now but our buying habits (what ALL sales are based on) says different.


you know...lexus average trade in

 

[Sniperx]

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Of course our glorious leader approved the Hybrid car research funding plan a year or so ago.

No thanks.

 

[Dougal]

Well it looks like NZ isn't going to get the petrol option. A newspaper article today saying our new 200 series cruisers will be diesel only. 650Nm and 215kw with two spec levels.

Of course japanese import petrol versions will be freely available to those who want them. At this stage petrol is 4.7L V8, the 5.7 is US only spec.

 

[83bj60]

Looks like some 'restrictive' leaders are less unenlightened than others, huh... or is that 'we deserve the leaders we have'?

We better stop there, Dougal, we're getting borderline politically incorrect...

 

[Dougal]

Looks like some 'restrictive' leaders are less unenlightened than others, huh... or is that 'we deserve the leaders we have'?

We better stop there, Dougal, we're getting borderline politically incorrect...

Rumours of an official launch in Sydney in a couple of weeks.

 

[cruiser_guy]

Well it looks like NZ isn't going to get the petrol option. A newspaper article today saying our new 200 series cruisers will be diesel only. 650Nm and 215kw with two spec levels.

Of course japanese import petrol versions will be freely available to those who want them. At this stage petrol is 4.7L V8, the 5.7 is US only spec.

Why can't Canada and the US be smart like NZ and actually promote diesel use?

 

[83bj60]

Q:Why can't Canada and the US be smart like NZ and actually promote diesel use?
A: Because as our economies are based on excessive consumption, the savings would cause economic chaos!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Why can't Canada and the US be smart like NZ and actually promote diesel use?

Because in the US we performance, not crappy running and smelly trucks. We want 0-60 in 6.5 sec...not 12 like a diesel would do. Hats for to the new 5.7L V8!!!!

 

[Dougal]

Because in the US we performance, not ****py running and smelly trucks. We want 0-60 in 6.5 sec...not 12 like a diesel would do. Hats for to the new 5.7L V8!!!!

So how long does your heavily modded 100 take to reach 60 and why is that important on the trail?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

So how long does your heavily modded 100 take to reach 60 and why is that important on the trail?

Trailability is not the only factor in selecting a vehicle....to me.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

in the US WE performance....

Everyone likes a little speed once in a while, but why do you need it in a 4x4 off road truck? If you want performance, buy a supra... or even better a 4 cylinder turbo, something that could eat your V8 for breakfast...

I'm to the point, I know I will never own a car or truck that is anything but a 4 cylinder...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

in the US WE performance....

Everyone likes a little speed once in a while, but why do you need it in a 4x4 off road truck? If you want performance, buy a supra... or even better a 4 cylinder turbo, something that could eat your V8 for breakfast...

I'm to the point, I know I will never own a car or truck that is anything but a 4 cylinder...

I have an Rx8 already.

I don't want a slug of a truck if a better performing one is available. That's why I hate my 80's. They're slugs even with 4.88 and TRD. They roar and vibrate when accellerating. They suck.

I personally don't want a rattle trap and smelly diesel engine (though I know some have improved).

It's just me. Others are happy with thei 80's and even slower rigs. That's OK...just not for me.

 

[Tofudebeest]

Everyone seems confused. Wanna know why Toyota has not sold diesels over here? It isn't due to a lack of demand or some other Toyota attitude, it is due to GM, Ford and DaimerChrysler lobbying efforts to preserve what little turf they have left over here. They have Congress in their hip pocket and have for quite some time. Toyota and other manufacturers creeping into this otherwise sacrosanct market is due primarily to Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers increasing use of American labor to assemble and produce these vehicles and the Big 3's increasing use of Mexican and other foreign market labor, thus blurring the line between what is "Domestic" and what is an "Import", thereby weakening their lobbying leverage.

It's a New Day, and a New World Order...
IDGAF, if we get better vehicles with better options (such as clean turbo diesels).

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Everyone seems confused. Wanna know why Toyota has not sold diesels over here? It isn't due to a lack of demand or some other Toyota attitude, it is due to GM, Ford and DaimerChrysler lobbying efforts to preserve what little turf they have left over here. They have Congress in their hip pocket and have for quite some time. Toyota and other manufacturers creeping into this otherwise sacrosanct market is due primarily to Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers increasing use of American labor to assemble and produce these vehicles and the Big 3's increasing use of Mexican and other foreign market labor, thus blurring the line between what is "Domestic" and what is an "Import", thereby weakening their lobbying leverage.

It's a New Day, and a New World Order...
IDGAF, if we get better vehicles with better options (such as clean turbo diesels).

I'm not confused about US buyers. I am one though not a normal one. I bought a new 2001 to modify and drive off-road on very difficult trails from the get-go. NOBODY here does that. They cost $60K plus the mods.

The person buying a LC or LX in the US buys them for:

Luxury
Status
Looks
Smoothness
To drive with one person inside from place to place while on the phone

These US buyers wouldn't buy a LC or LX if it had a POC diesel motor inside and/or if itwas under-powered. (It's not the early 90's any more)

US wheelers.....who spend $10-20K on a rig and then outfit it for wheeling want:

SFA
Diesel
Cloth seats

I hate to tell you.....the makers make the vehicles for the NEW car buyer.....not the wheeler who buys it second hand.

 

[cruiser_guy]

Because in the US we performance, not crappy running and smelly trucks. We want 0-60 in 6.5 sec...not 12 like a diesel would do. Hats for to the new 5.7L V8!!!!

Does your 100 series do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds? I doubt it. I'd bet the difference in performance between the twin turbo diesel and a gasser is quite small and I wouldn't be totally surprised if the diesel has better performance. Yep, you read that right, new diesels are most definitely NOT smelly slugs (but I don't expect that you'd believe that until you get beat by a diesel)!!

You take the 5.7L gasser with a slushbox 'cause someone has to buy it (I certainly won't be). I'll be getting another diesel when my current diesel quits in another 20 or 30 years!!