Who cares about looks! Is there a diesel option??

[ShottsUZJ100]

Does your 100 series do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds? !

Such a model wasn't offered in 2001.

If there were I'd have it.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I'd bet the difference in performance between the twin turbo diesel and a gasser is quite small and I wouldn't be totally surprised if the diesel has better performance.

Referring to 2008 as I am.....the diesels won't touch 6.5 sec 0-60. Not close.

 

[cpg]

Everyone seems confused. Wanna know why Toyota has not sold diesels over here? It isn't due to a lack of demand or some other Toyota attitude, it is due to GM, Ford and DaimerChrysler lobbying efforts to preserve what little turf they have left over here. They have Congress in their hip pocket and have for quite some time. Toyota and other manufacturers creeping into this otherwise sacrosanct market is due primarily to Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers increasing use of American labor to assemble and produce these vehicles and the Big 3's increasing use of Mexican and other foreign market labor, thus blurring the line between what is "Domestic" and what is an "Import", thereby weakening their lobbying leverage.

It's a New Day, and a New World Order...
IDGAF, if we get better vehicles with better options (such as clean turbo diesels).

good info

 

[Dougal]

I can't find 0-60mph or 0-100km/h hour specs for the 100 series anywhere.
I've only tried all the usual dealer sites and japanese car spec websites.

I recall about 15seconds for the earlier 4sp auto turbo diesel.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I can't find 0-60mph or 0-100km/h hour specs for the 100 series anywhere.
I've only tried all the usual dealer sites and japanese car spec websites.

I recall about 15seconds for the earlier 4sp auto turbo diesel.

9.8 in the US.

8.8 when they went up in HP with vvTi

 

[Dougal]

9.8 in the US.

8.8 when they went up in HP with vvTi

How about the new one?

 

[83bj60]

Everyone seems confused. Wanna know why Toyota has not sold diesels over here? It isn't due to a lack of demand or some other Toyota attitude, it is due to GM, Ford and DaimerChrysler lobbying efforts to preserve what little turf they have left over here. They have Congress in their hip pocket and have for quite some time. Toyota and other manufacturers creeping into this otherwise sacrosanct market is due primarily to Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers increasing use of American labor to assemble and produce these vehicles and the Big 3's increasing use of Mexican and other foreign market labor, thus blurring the line between what is "Domestic" and what is an "Import", thereby weakening their lobbying leverage.

It's a New Day, and a New World Order...
IDGAF, if we get better vehicles with better options (such as clean turbo diesels).

EXACTLY!!! I couldn't have said it better

The ONLY way we get anything at all from the import manufacturers is by them playing nice with the big 3 and not to bring stuff that is too advanced. Just read Toyota's mission statement... Imperial powers wondering why they are failing could learn a lot from it...

 

[83bj60]

I'm not confused about US buyers. I am one though not a normal one. I bought a new 2001 to modify and drive off-road on very difficult trails from the get-go. NOBODY here does that. They cost $60K plus the mods.

The person buying a LC or LX in the US buys them for:

Luxury
Status
Looks
Smoothness
To drive with one person inside from place to place while on the phone

These US buyers wouldn't buy a LC or LX if it had a POC diesel motor inside and/or if itwas under-powered. (It's not the early 90's any more)

US wheelers.....who spend $10-20K on a rig and then outfit it for wheeling want:

SFA
Diesel
Cloth seats

I hate to tell you.....the makers make the vehicles for the NEW car buyer.....not the wheeler who buys it second hand.

I totally agree with your assesment... You are right on all counts... Looks and Illusion instead of Practicality and Utility, Common Sense down the tubes... That's why the American Empire WILL decline...

I'm not confused about US buyers. I am one though not a normal one.

Neither am I nor most of those who've actually had a chance to try a Diesel...

 

[cruiser_guy]

The ONLY way we get anything at all from the import manufacturers is by them playing nice with the big 3 and not to bring stuff that is too advanced. Just read Toyota's mission statement... Imperial powers wondering why they are failing could learn a lot from it...

THIS is the big problem. Detroit is in bed with the oil companies and because of that we won't get much that uses less oil. The rest of the world isn't too eager to buy the domestic gas sucking products because they have alternatives available.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

How about the new one?

6.5 sec
0-60

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I totally agree with your assesment... You are right on all counts... Looks and Illusion instead of Practicality and Utility, Common Sense down the tubes... That's why the American Empire WILL decline...



Neither am I nor most of those who've actually had a chance to try a Diesel...

Ya....the US Empire will decline because we don't want rigs with more utility? Oh boy!

We'll decline if the friggin' far left SP's take over.

 

[83bj60]

Ya....the US Empire will decline because we don't want rigs with more utility? Oh boy!

We'll decline if the friggin' far left SP's take over.

Shotts, I know I come across as an 'America Hater' by some and would like to express my sadness at this unenlightened asessment, because, being married to an American WASP, I am far from one, and am leaning much more to the right that she actually does. I love freedom, I love democracy, but I hate profiteering and the melding of government into my own affairs and especially, the philosophy of money based on money instead of value. If you look back at history, this is what caused the crash of 1929.

As for recent history, I've been there to see the decline of America since the sixties, when America was the 'Hope of the World', and declined it has.

Do you remember the time when 'Made in the USA' was an actual badge of high quality and advanced technology, and when 'Made in Japan' meant cheap just like 'Made in China' means now?

Well, with the entrenched protectionism we may have saved this country from social unrest for a while and assured the baby boomers their fat retirement, at the expense of quality and now everyone else makes stuff at least as good as ours for a fraction of the price.

The housing market fall in the US is but a sign of what's going to happen in the next decade. And as a Canadian, I can see us going down with you guys if we don't hold our ground and become less dependent on your market and accept every move you make in the world like we've been basically doing since the Conservatives took power.

So it is certainly possible that if the 'far left' takes over in the US we will decline even more (heck I've lived under a far left government for 20 years here, bewteeen 1975 and 1995, I know what it means!), but what we truly need, IMO, is good work ethics and moral values. Building crap and becoming rich based on continued production is a model that may work well for a developping nation where tons of products are required (like China), it is not for a nation that is supposed to come to maturity like ours.

If I am branded as another mad 'America Hater' so be it but it would certainly be sad as it would shut the door to some reflexion that I believe is truly needed if we are going to survive the next century as a major player in the world.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts, I know I come across as an 'America Hater' by some and would like to express my sadness at this unenlightened asessment, because, being married to an American WASP, I am far from one, and am leaning much more to the right that she actually does. I love freedom, I love democracy, but I hate profiteering and the melding of government into my own affairs and especially, the philosophy of money based on money instead of value. If you look back at history, this is what caused the crash of 1929.

As for recent history, I've been there to see the decline of America since the sixties, when America was the 'Hope of the World', and declined it has.

Do you remember the time when 'Made in the USA' was an actual badge of high quality and advanced technology, and when 'Made in Japan' meant cheap just like 'Made in China' means now?

Well, with the entrenched protectionism we may have saved this country from social unrest for a while and assured the baby boomers their fat retirement, at the expense of quality and now everyone else makes stuff at least as good as ours for a fraction of the price.

The housing market fall in the US is but a sign of what's going to happen in the next decade. And as a Canadian, I can see us going down with you guys if we don't hold our ground and become less dependent on your market and accept every move you make in the world like we've been basically doing since the Conservatives took power.

So it is certainly possible that if the 'far left' takes over in the US we will decline even more (heck I've lived under a far left government for 20 years here, bewteeen 1975 and 1995, I know what it means!), but what we truly need, IMO, is good work ethics and moral values. Building crap and becoming rich based on continued production is a model that may work well for a developping nation where tons of products are required (like China), it is not for a nation that is supposed to come to maturity like ours.

If I am branded as another mad 'America Hater' so be it but it would certainly be sad as it would shut the door to some reflexion that I believe is truly needed if we are going to survive the next century as a major player in the world.

I don't brand you as anything.

I can tell you that the one thing I agree with more than anything is the decline in the US morals. Between the media, Hollywood, and wacked out towns like San Fran, the decline of the family in the US is on the increase. All the shows feature sex and gays....hell, there's nothing to watch on TV any longer.

The effect...70%+ out of wedlock births in the Afr-Amer community. Illegal aliens out the butt because the US won't do anything to risk losing a vote. Rap/pimp music degrading women and the US. Don't get me started.

There's A LOT wrong with the US though for me there's NOWHERE I'd rather live.

 

[83bj60]

I don't brand you as anything.

Well I dared show my face on Chat so I'm kind weary... Fortunately the level of discussion is much more enlightened here, I don't see a member claiming to be a lawyer calling another one with whom he disagrees a 'douchebag' for his differing opinions

I can tell you that the one thing I agree with more than anything is the decline in the US morals. Between the media, Hollywood, and wacked out towns like San Fran, the decline of the family in the US is on the increase. All the shows feature sex and gays....hell, there's nothing to watch on TV any longer.

The effect...70%+ out of wedlock births in the Afr-Amer community. Illegal aliens out the butt because the US won't do anything to risk losing a vote. Rap/pimp music degrading women and the US. Don't get me started.

There's A LOT wrong with the US though for me there's NOWHERE I'd rather live.

I agree with you, Shotts, and I sure wish I had an answer to these social issues... I do believe it all starts at home, so if a sufficiently stable home does not exist, what can you do about it?

We probbaly all agree that good morals are essential (someone is going to say 'according to whom', hehe...) but so is a minimum of human dignity for all and a de-emphaisis on consumption, glitter and artificiality which puts such an enormous stress especially on our teens, who are going to be tomnorrows citizens (can you believe spending $200 for a flattening iron when you work weekends part time at minimum wage? That's my daughter!)... I don't remember us at that age beeing so pushed by consumption, heck for me it was the opposite, 'chill out, tune in and drop out'

So, it's not that far fetched to see why some of us are so adamant getting something of better value like what diesel technology offers, more UTILITY and less LUXURY... It all comes from the 'good ole days' of the 'Whole Earth Catalog'... Ever got the plans to run your truck on wood, by any chance? I have!

 

[twstrchasr]

If they offered the '08 with a diesel I'd buy one in a heartbeat, regardless of how ugly the outside was. As far as the fast/slow issue with diesels go...It would still be faster than my FJ62!!

 

[kitkraft]

hell, there's nothing to watch on TV any longer.

Well, there's 24........and football

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Well, there's 24........and football

And Dr. Phil!

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

No, there isnt...... Not here in the United States...

 

[r3run33]

wow this debate is funny most of the diesel lovers here are eithe in eurp or oz (thats most) becasue gas is more expnsv there and one more thing diesel is more available at stations; i know they are coming but they are not at every station; and we are lazy here in america is has to be around the block or down the street. i will bet anyone here 20 bucks that lexus brings a lx hybrid out soon; if they can put it in the ls it can go in the lx that will sell more then a diesel here now you guys love the diesels but it just wont work here in the usa

 

[cruiser_guy]

wow this debate is funny most of the diesel lovers here are eithe in eurp or oz (thats most) becasue gas is more expnsv there and one more thing diesel is more available at stations; i know they are coming but they are not at every station; and we are lazy here in america is has to be around the block or down the street. i will bet anyone here 20 bucks that lexus brings a lx hybrid out soon; if they can put it in the ls it can go in the lx that will sell more then a diesel here now you guys love the diesels but it just wont work here in the usa

Nope, many of us diesel lovers are also in Canada. Toyota teased us and offered diesels in the '80's and then took them away and we want them back!!

btw, diesel is not available at every gas station in Canada nor is it cheaper than gas. Sometimes it's more than gas due to the government tax structure and the gas station profit taking.