My local dealer won't budge and actually charges above MSRP. I use them only when desperate.
Are you talking about Toyota dealerships? I would love to find someone to work with but my local dealership won't budge, prices are at least 2x higher than mcgeorge, dallas toyota, etc. I've asked them to price match many times and they just laugh at me. I've even bought a car (not land cruiser) from them.