Hmm, ive got a 1hdft in my doner vehicle, not a huge market for them in the uk as they dont break unless you do something stupid. How hard is it getting one over to the US?
what r u guys spending on diesel swap
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This is the section about Diesels, and typically involves Landcruisers...the above post meets neither criteria, and would better be suited to the 80's part of the forum.
You may be partly right, but also very wrong IMHO
In Australia, a 15 year old 80 with 1FZ can be had for >5k, a 20 year old 80 with 1hd-t still commands 20k + price tag.
That's in a country that accounts for more than 10% of ALL land cruiser sales worldwide, and around 30% of diesel land cruiser sales worldwide, so they aren't exactly rare, but still an expensive engine to source second hand.
Yes they cost a little more to maintain with more frequent oil changes, but they'll do much better than the 10mpg you can expect from your 1fz.
yes- but we arent in aus. - and in Kansas where the original poster is from, its gonna cost minimum $20-25k U.S. into his $5k -80 series.
Muuuuuuuuch easier to simply sell his 80 and grab from any of the $12-14k CAD. rhd ones....or grab LHD one from the ooodles of importers for $20k.
Muuuuuuuuch easier to simply sell his 80 and grab from any of the $12-14k CAD. rhd ones....or grab LHD one from the ooodles of importers for $20k.
My point was, regardless of where you are, there's good reasons why they are in demand and why people pay seemingly stupid prices for them.
I regret giving mine up when I did.
I regret giving mine up when I did.
The simple fact that you can double your range and half your fuel cost would be enough for me.
i mean, what use is 10mpg to anyone?
even in the uk people put diesels in the petrols, the petrol cruiser havnt had the hard working life a lot of the diesels seem to of had, and as mentioned they can be had for half the price of a diesel..
i mean, what use is 10mpg to anyone?
even in the uk people put diesels in the petrols, the petrol cruiser havnt had the hard working life a lot of the diesels seem to of had, and as mentioned they can be had for half the price of a diesel..
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I have just put a 1HD-FT in my 40 and couldnt be happier, engine with 146k transfer and gearbox came in at £2600.00 and then £3700.00 for the job this included service parts while the engine was out a recore on the rad shortening the props a new alternator and a plethora of hoses and bits and pieces.
Compared to the 2B that was in it it's quiet as a mouse and pulls like a train, loving it long time.
Compared to the 2B that was in it it's quiet as a mouse and pulls like a train, loving it long time.
Not to intercept the thread, the newest 1HD-T engine is 18 years old as minimum. Diesel Land Cruiser meant to be used and abused. There are very few trucks left who could say we used it for mall shopping. Most of the engines in the market ran over 700000 kms as minimum. People buy diesel to work on them not to use it as shop cart, trailers, big tires and etc takes all the tolls on these. I had seen several people who bought a halfcut and engines and during the installation found out that engine as minimum needs checking on the head, not mentioning bearings and etc. It takes big chunk of the budget as well.
Plenty of cruisers in the UK with under 200k miles for £5000.00 and lots of them used to take the kids to school vehicles in the UK don't do the cross continental mileages of cars in the states, average yearly mileage is about 12/14k.
I think the best option is 6.6 DMX for any type of Land Cruiser. I always wonder why Toyota never installed 4.7 Hino Ranger diesel into TLC, Hino is the daughter company of Toyota and have the same great I-6 4.7 diesel engine. It would be an awesome truck.
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It's true that you can get a RHD Canadian HDJ for $12-$14CAD. The only problem with that is that they typically need $5k in maintenance to get them to the point where they compare to pro swapped cruiser. My swapped rig has an engine with 115,000 miles on it, had all maintenance done (everything down to fresh oil change), and a Gturbo on it. Sure, I paid a little more than $14k for mine. But I bought a reliable, daily driver that is quicker than a 1fz powered rig, and get's 19mpg. It's all a trade off, I guess.
This is a giant myth. My last 13hr trip i averaged 18.6mpg in 1fz. No way in hell any 1hdt is anywhere remotely close to double.....and im betting most 1hdts barely are 5-6mpg better. You will end up rebuilding your i.p.once and doing bebs 3-4 times and doing a few new turbos vs 1fz with 1 hg job and injector refresh halfway thru its lifespan. Operating costs of a diesel will be triple to quadruple a 1fz for daily driving. And dont even get me started on a442 vs h151.
Again - a diesel has its advantages - i just encourage the original poster to his homework and ask- do i tow - go underwater- and drive in countries where fuel range matters. (every inch of the U.S. has gas stations/ starbux and liquor stores all within the range of any 20 gallon gas tank
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So much misinformation here. Do you have a 1hdt? I have had both. I certainly never got anywhere near 18 mpg on the 1fz, But YMMV. Mpg is definitely not double but significantly better. Fuel savings should not be your driving factor in choosing, you won't recoup your money.
Bebs do not need to be done 3 or 4 times. They are done as a precaution and the issue was with the material that the original shells we made of. Either way, the new shells are $100 if you are doing them yourself.
You do not need to replace your turbo 3 or 4 times lol. Most people are upgrading their turbos for more performance.
Low end torque off road is a huge plus and in the backcountry it absolutely sips fuel. The motor is extremely simple and easy to work on. If nothing else at all, all expenses aside, both are great motors, both have some flaws that can be overcome. The 1HDT is undeniably 1000% funner to drive
I do agree with @bugsnbikes that buying a HDJ81 is definitely going to be more cost and time effective, even if it does require maintenance, if you are ok with the RHD.
last i heard....bebs were recommended to be changed every 100k miles.......so 3-4 times for your avg 1hdt 350-400k mile lifespan as a precautionary measure.??
turbos will need a rebuild or replace in that lifetime span for sure. i.p. is a crapshoot- but im gonna go out on a limb and say 1 i.p. service/ refresh is "likely" in 300-400k miles......no?
and do diesel guys carry a spare straight crank as a trail spare and is that something you can check for during bebs swap ???
turbos will need a rebuild or replace in that lifetime span for sure. i.p. is a crapshoot- but im gonna go out on a limb and say 1 i.p. service/ refresh is "likely" in 300-400k miles......no?
and do diesel guys carry a spare straight crank as a trail spare and is that something you can check for during bebs swap ???
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Differing opinions on the bebs. I am confident in the once and done, a couple people have checked after the 100k mark and the new bearings looked brand new. Again not a big ticket item.
Yes the IP will need servicing in its life and is not cheap to do.
Turbo rebuild in its life as well probably. If you are not upgrading, it is also cheap if you are doing it yourself. If not upgrading, a Ct26 rebuild kit is about $80 which will give you a 360 thrust washer too, plus the cost of a balancing, maybe another $40. If you don't want to open the turbo up yourself, and replacement CHRA from Melett can be had for $300 balanced (good time to do the 7mgte upgrade)
Not sure what your reference is for the crank.
Paying someone to do these items will add up quick.
I am not arguing that maintenance can be expensive. I don't think anyone who has ever swapped a diesel will admit they did it in an effort to save money. I wonder if anyone who has done the 1HDT swap, or sold their 80 for an HDJ81 has regretted it? I certainly haven't.
Yes the IP will need servicing in its life and is not cheap to do.
Turbo rebuild in its life as well probably. If you are not upgrading, it is also cheap if you are doing it yourself. If not upgrading, a Ct26 rebuild kit is about $80 which will give you a 360 thrust washer too, plus the cost of a balancing, maybe another $40. If you don't want to open the turbo up yourself, and replacement CHRA from Melett can be had for $300 balanced (good time to do the 7mgte upgrade)
Not sure what your reference is for the crank.
Paying someone to do these items will add up quick.
I am not arguing that maintenance can be expensive. I don't think anyone who has ever swapped a diesel will admit they did it in an effort to save money. I wonder if anyone who has done the 1HDT swap, or sold their 80 for an HDJ81 has regretted it? I certainly haven't.
Hmm, in 12 years and 180000 miles of ownership ive replaced the water pump and bebs. My annual fuel bill is about £3000, i get 22 to 27 mpg. Im more than happy with the cost of ownership. Owning a diesel ive saved roughly over £12000 in fuel...
Ignorance is bliss hey @bugsnbikes 
Keep your gasser and auto trans and leave the 1hd and manuals for those who enjoy them.
So many incorrect statements from someone who doesn't have an interest in this engine.
There's loads of hdj80's that have exceeded the mileage you talk about on original BEBs, original turbo, original IP.
Maintenance history plays a part in these things, and yes there's obviously failures and some inherent flaws as there is with anything built by man.
Keep your gasser and auto trans and leave the 1hd and manuals for those who enjoy them.
So many incorrect statements from someone who doesn't have an interest in this engine.
There's loads of hdj80's that have exceeded the mileage you talk about on original BEBs, original turbo, original IP.
Maintenance history plays a part in these things, and yes there's obviously failures and some inherent flaws as there is with anything built by man.