Was the 5.7 engine built by GM? (1 Viewer)

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Kind of an embarrassing question but a very experienced mechanic told me today that he heard that Chevrolet originally built the base of the 5.7 L engine. Then sold it to Toyota because it was too good of an engine for them to get much turnover in repair work.

I am not believing it until an experienced 200 guy confirms it.
 
Whereas it may be true that GM designed the first 350 C.I. (5.7L) displacement engine - I am going to assume the borrowing likely ended there. If I recall correctly, there are some displacement configurations that just seem to be easier to optimize. This is my observation only, but look around at the number of 2.0 Liter engines available nowadays from nearly every auto manufacturer - from economy, to sport and even luxury cars...
 
Kind of an embarrassing question but a very experienced mechanic told me today that he heard that Chevrolet originally built the base of the 5.7 L engine. Then sold it to Toyota because it was too good of an engine for them to get much turnover in repair work.

I am not believing it until an experienced 200 guy confirms it.

The Chevrolet 350 engine is a 350 cubic inch (5.7 Litre) V8 with a 4.00 inch bore and 3.48 inch stroke.

The Toyota 3UR-FE engine is a 345.6 cubic inch (5.663 Litre) V8 with a 3.70 inch (94.0 mm) bore and 4.02 inch (102.0 mm) stroke

Looks like your "very experienced mechanic" has lost some cred today :rofl:

HTH
 
This thread just about ought to go to sChat.

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The day Toyota relies on GM for LC engines is the post-build-date I stop buying LCs. ;)

On the other hand...if TOYOTA ever DID do that for a Cruiser engine? -It would mean GM is kicking some serious reliability butt...

Say what you will about many aspects of GM that are sub-par (interiors probably being chief among their many defects) - but V8s are easily the thing they're BEST at, and in that regard they really are top-tier. Most GM V8s last just as long as their Toyota counterparts.

Take a look at the LTRI rankings for the Tahoe versus the Land Cruiser -

The Tahoe and the LC are no more than 1.5% apart in terms of incident occurrence across drivetrain, transmission, and engine issues, and of course the LC leads the rankings - probably why many of us are here - but the GM trucks are very good overall.

The Gen III/IV/V GM V8s have some really good things going for them. Consider that even at the very beginning of the contemporary comparable motors, GM was on to something: the LS1's first introduction was in the 1997 Vette, and with 5.7L it made 345hp and 350tq in an aluminum cam-in-block package that only weighs about 450 lbs fully dressed. Meanwhile the best contemporary offering from Toyota - '98 LC100's 2UZ-FE - at 4.7L made only 230hp and 302tq at introduction, and with its iron block weighed at least 550 lbs.

If we're talking truck to truck, GM went on to introduce many variants in both iron and aluminum block 4.8L, 5.3, and 6.0L engines in their "gen III" era (~97-07), and then in gen 4 (07-14 or so) also added 6.2L offerings that maintained similar levels of competitiveness in terms of output while also being very reliable overall. I believe the same displacements exist in the latest (2014+) GenV stuff.

Other things to think about - dimensionally a DOHC Toyota engine is huge compared to virtually any small-block LS variant, and thus they have ended up installed into virtually any car or truck you can think of in the aftermarket. Go poke your head into the 80 series section and take a look at the stickied thread on V8 swaps, while paying attention to how many (most?) of them are for GM V8s. The flexibility of the LS platform has seen the aftermarket respond in turn with a ridiculous amount of support for the LS that's frankly unparalleled. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Toyota V8s.

I imagine that in terms of actual architectural proliferation, there are many multiples of the LS variants on the road today versus the Toyota V8s - millions of both iron and aluminum block variants even from the earliest runs on the roads still with similar mileage counts to what we have seen out of the 2UZ-FE and 3UR-FE.

TL;DR - feel free to knock GM for the many dumb things that they do, but their V8s are the last thing to pick on. :)
 
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@Tremek You are right on the mark regarding the V8s. GM has multi port fuel injected, push rod motors down to a science and longevity is only part of the equation. A 6.2L (essentially a 383) LS3 puts out 430HP. I remember when tweaking 1 HP per cubic inch out of a motor was every hot rodder's dream. That dream cost you thousands, in the late 70s early 80s. These days GM will send you one in a box that does better than that, stock!

I believe that the F engine was produced in part using plans for a GM straight 6 that was given to Japan as part of war reparations. At least that is how I have heard the story.
 
Say what you will about many aspects of GM that are sub-par (interiors probably being chief among their many defects) - but V8s are easily the thing they're BEST at, and in that regard they really are top-tier. Most GM V8s last just as long as their Toyota counterparts.

Take a look at the LTRI rankings for the Tahoe versus the Land Cruiser -

The Tahoe and the LC are no more than 1.5% apart in terms of incident occurrence across drivetrain, transmission, and engine issues, and of course the LC leads the rankings - probably why many of us are here - but the GM trucks are very good overall.

The Gen III/IV/V GM V8s have some really good things going for them. Consider that even at the very beginning of the contemporary comparable motors, GM was on to something: the LS1's first introduction was in the 1997 Vette, and with 5.7L it made 345hp and 350tq in an aluminum cam-in-block package that only weighs about 450 lbs fully dressed. Meanwhile the best contemporary offering from Toyota - '98 LC100's 2UZ-FE - at 4.7L made only 230hp and 302tq at introduction, and with its iron block weighed at least 550 lbs.

If we're talking truck to truck, GM went on to introduce many variants in both iron and aluminum block 4.8L, 5.3, and 6.0L engines in their "gen III" era (~97-07), and then in gen 4 (07-14 or so) also added 6.2L offerings that maintained similar levels of competitiveness in terms of output while also being very reliable overall. I believe the same displacements exist in the latest (2014+) GenV stuff.

Other things to think about - dimensionally a DOHC Toyota engine is huge compared to virtually any small-block LS variant, and thus they have ended up installed into virtually any car or truck you can think of in the aftermarket. Go poke your head into the 80 series section and take a look at the stickied thread on V8 swaps, while paying attention to how many (most?) of them are for GM V8s. The flexibility of the LS platform has seen the aftermarket respond in turn with a ridiculous amount of support for the LS that's frankly unparalleled. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Toyota V8s.

I imagine that in terms of actual architectural proliferation, there are many multiples of the LS variants on the road today versus the Toyota V8s - millions of both iron and aluminum block variants even from the earliest runs on the roads still with similar mileage counts to what we have seen out of the 2UZ-FE and 3UR-FE.

TL;DR - feel free to knock GM for the many dumb things that they do, but their V8s are the last thing to pick on. :)

Agreed. I had a 2007 Yukon Denali XL with the 6.2, and it hauled ass, sounded great, didn't burn a drop of oil, towed amazing and still got MUCH better mpg than either my 100 or 200. It was not uncommon to get 22 mpg on freeway drives which is incredible for an AWD drive vehicle that size.
 
GM makes something other than motors and transmissions?
 
I have a custom built 383 Stroker in my 40 with a Holly Fuel Injection system
 

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