Vortec 5.3 or 5.7 for my 60?

[MANUCHAO]

There is a mudder dude (here in L.A.) that put a 6.0 in his 60 and passed emissions with out any problems....
Then, there is Djawahir out in San Diego.. he put an H55 behind his 2007 5.3 and passed without any problems....

Im with George on what the law states... problem is... each smog ref has their own way of interpreting what the law states.....

 

[orangefj45]

the good news is that you can go to any ref in the state.

 

[Welltech]

Thanks for the information.

Welltech -
"Hotwire" or "Hotline" is a crude communications system between junkyards: sounds like an intercom. A lot of them are getting more sophisticated & have websites with their parts inventory online plus parts request forms. An old buddy dealt with the one I used (Goldmine in Grand Junction, CO) for years in his capacity as an aftermarket rebuilt engine warranty administrator, & I went through the old owner that he knew. They've changed hands since.

So now y'all got me jonesin' for a 6.0 with the 6-speed auto. Might get better mileage towing my boat than the 5.7 (10mpg vs 15 without).

 

[baldredhead]

the erods are perfect for hot rods.

are Erods legal to swap into a cruiser? i've only read superficial articles about them, sorry if it's an old question

 

[orangefj45]

are Erods legal to swap into a cruiser? i've only read superficial articles about them, sorry if it's an old question

they're supposed to be. have'nt done that swap yet.

georg

 

[baldredhead]

they're supposed to be. have'nt done that swap yet.

georg

do you know how that works with the "engine and transmission are a package" paradigm?

it would be sweet if you could legally pick whatever trans you want

 

[Kurtis]

I'm pretty sure they offer it with an auto and with a manual option now for the same price and its supposed to be 50 state legal as a auto not 100% sure with the manual. Supposedly this part number 19256487 is the manual transmission version and is carb compliant. For what you get its a pretty good deal honestly. GM Performance to offer 430-hp E-Rod crate engine for manual transmissions - AutoWeek Magazine

 

[OyajiJon]

I was digging around on Cars.com the other day and found several 6.0L Vortec/manual trans SSRs. They are passenger vehicles and should, theoretically, work for smog on an engine swap. This means VINs are available for a smog legal configuration if someone wanted to do one.

I confirmed on the almighty Wikipedia (so, it MUST be true) that the SSR had the LS2 6.0L engine as an option.

Chevrolet SSR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I just thought someone might be interested...

 

[orangefj45]

I was digging around on Cars.com the other day and found several 6.0L Vortec/manual trans SSRs. They are passenger vehicles and should, theoretically, work for smog on an engine swap. This means VINs are available for a smog legal configuration if someone wanted to do one.

I confirmed on the almighty Wikipedia (so, it MUST be true) that the SSR had the LS2 6.0L engine as an option.

Chevrolet SSR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I just thought someone might be interested...

great info and solid work john.

 

[cosmo]

Sorry, It's been a little while. Thanks to all who posted. I've learned a lot. I'm starting to collect the necessary parts for the conversion. I may actual convert both the 60 and 40 to 350 power of one sort or another over the next months. My "new" FJ60 will be the first to get new POWER. the Marks adapter looks like the cleanest option for the 60 just wish it was a little more affordable. going with the H55. The motor will depend on the deal I find. 5.3 seems like a lot of wiring and extra expense. even a basic 350 will be a major improvement over the 2F but it looks like a 5.7 will be the easiest and best bang for the buck. 6.0 is tempting but with gas going crazy I'm not sure it's the one to go with but I do have a line on one so the jury is still out.

 

[lehiguy]

Sorry, It's been a little while. Thanks to all who posted. I've learned a lot. I'm starting to collect the necessary parts for the conversion. I may actual convert both the 60 and 40 to 350 power of one sort or another over the next months. My "new" FJ60 will be the first to get new POWER. the Marks adapter looks like the cleanest option for the 60 just wish it was a little more affordable. going with the H55. The motor will depend on the deal I find. 5.3 seems like a lot of wiring and extra expense. even a basic 350 will be a major improvement over the 2F but it looks like a 5.7 will be the easiest and best bang for the buck. 6.0 is tempting but with gas going crazy I'm not sure it's the one to go with but I do have a line on one so the jury is still out.

Don't spend the money for both the Marks adapter and an H55. Just go straight to the NV4500 and mount it directly to the motor and use either an adapter to the Cruiser T-case or use a domestic case and swap/upgrade your rear axle as well. The NV4500's shift tower is rearward enough that it can be done this way. You can start with a basic TBI 350 for very little money and upgrade the parts as you go if you want more power. Here is a good place to browse for TBI performance ideas; www.tbichips.com

 

[cosmo]

re

Don't spend the money for both the Marks adapter and an H55. Just go straight to the NV4500 and mount it directly to the motor and use either an adapter to the Cruiser T-case or use a domestic case and swap/upgrade your rear axle as well. The NV4500's shift tower is rearward enough that it can be done this way. You can start with a basic TBI 350 for very little money and upgrade the parts as you go if you want more power. Here is a good place to browse for TBI performance ideas; TBI CHIPS

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
Thing is I don't want to move the location of the shifters or spend a ton of time relocating, welding, and changing drive lines and tc support x-members. I used a NV4500 for my last diesel fj60 conversion and found it to be very clunky from one gear to the next. shifting was work. I don't know if thats normal but I do want something that shifts a little smoother. The stock 4speed was much smoother.
I'm always open to sugestions. the main thing is that I don't want it to re-engineer the whole drive train. I gotta keep it wallet friendly. the last conversion went way over but I had a good job at the time. Now a full time student again @ 35 the wallet is a bit lighter. I'm hopping I can get this done for 2-3grand doing most or all of the work myself minus the welding and exhaust work. I do also plan on doing a SOA sometime soon.

 

[dbleon]

I'm hopping I can get this done for 2-3grand doing most or all of the work myself minus the welding and exhaust work. I do also plan on doing a SOA sometime soon.

It's gonna be REALLY tough to do under that budget, and do it right... JMHO

The little stuff really adds up quick.

 

[lehiguy]

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
Thing is I don't want to move the location of the shifters or spend a ton of time relocating, welding, and changing drive lines and tc support x-members. I used a NV4500 for my last diesel fj60 conversion and found it to be very clunky from one gear to the next. shifting was work. I don't know if thats normal but I do want something that shifts a little smoother. The stock 4speed was much smoother.
I'm always open to sugestions. the main thing is that I don't want it to re-engineer the whole drive train. I gotta keep it wallet friendly. the last conversion went way over but I had a good job at the time. Now a full time student again @ 35 the wallet is a bit lighter. I'm hopping I can get this done for 2-3grand doing most or all of the work myself minus the welding and exhaust work. I do also plan on doing a SOA sometime soon.

The early Dodge versions had a LONG shifter throw and felt terrible, like the shifter was made of rubber. The Chevy and later Dodge versions had a short throw shifter and shift very, very well. Mine shifts smoother and with less effort than my H55 did which was a bit of a surprise to me. The main reason I suggest the NV4500 is the cost of the marks adapter. If you already have the H55, then perhaps it makes sense. I do believe the best investment I ever made was a 120V welder. I bought a Hobart years ago and it has paid for itself a hundred times over. It would most likely pay for itself in the course of just this one adventure you're starting. Just a thought...

 

[cosmo]

anyone know which chevy trucks used a 5.7 with a NV4500??

Looks like 2006-7 Chevy silverado 6.0 only from what I can find

Can a 4500 be positioned with the LC t/c with out chopping the dog house? I recall having to relocate the shifter hole on the last conversion. I really want keep it clean and stock looking. Thanks

 

[cosmo]

my new Fj60

I figured a picture of my "new" FJ60 was in order. Thanks

 

[cosmo]

welder and stuff

The early Dodge versions had a LONG shifter throw and felt terrible, like the shifter was made of rubber. The Chevy and later Dodge versions had a short throw shifter and shift very, very well. Mine shifts smoother and with less effort than my H55 did which was a bit of a surprise to me. The main reason I suggest the NV4500 is the cost of the marks adapter. If you already have the H55, then perhaps it makes sense. I do believe the best investment I ever made was a 120V welder. I bought a Hobart years ago and it has paid for itself a hundred times over. It would most likely pay for itself in the course of just this one adventure you're starting. Just a thought...

I have been looking into welders thanks for the tip. The last 4500 was the first generation and I hated the clunky,popy shifting. I'll look into a newer 4500. it's expensive any way I look at it. an NV4500 isnt cheep and AA is proud of there stuff. Seems like a wash. shortening the output shaft,removing the harmonic balancer for the adopter is a pita but at least i know how to get it off this time. If I can find a donor rig with engine and trans. I'll be able to get underway. wonder if I'll be able to fill the tank by the time it's done??

I told my self I wouldnt do another conversion but I seem to be stuck on the 60 body style but not so much the lact of power the 2f offers.
stock tires in 4th = 55mph @ 2500rpm = painfully slow! I can't wait to have a v8 in there.

 

[rover67]

I have a Mark's Adapter in my truck with an H55 and a 5.3 and like Lehiguy says, I'd be tempted to skip the Mark's adapter no matter what you do to simplify things. The work to move the cross member will not be a big deal compared to the rest of the job. And, for what it's worth, you should probably have your driveshafts looked at while they are out... shortening and lengthening them while the shop is at it won't be a huge hit on the budget.

I considered doing an NV4500 because I might be able to use a regular bellhousing and not move stuff too much. I'll decide for sure when I take mine apart to look at the clutch and tranny in a few weeks. I think there is funkyness going on in the Mark's adapter. As for how they drive, I can only say i've driven one truck (cruiser with a 350) with the NV4500, and the shifting seemed fine, the big difference was the gear ratios. Drive something with both trannys and see what you prefer. The NV4500's can be had with really deep 1st gears which is nice. My H55 felt like a car tranny in comparison...

 

[cosmo]

"like a car tranny" how do you mean?

 

[Kurtis]

If you wanted to do it for under 3k the cheapest strongest and in my opinion best solution would be to use a 350nv4500 205 and a chevy rear axle. I did a 350tbi4l60e-AA to my split case about (2800$ with a built trans all parts included other than drive shafts ) and I wish i would have used a chevy transfer case and chevy rear axle especially since I went SOA a couple months later. If SOA is in the cards Its a no brainer in my mind.