Used Oil Analysis-Mobil 1 0w-40 Unreal!!!

[IdahoDoug]

I've had nothing but Mobil 1 in mine since new. I think I changed out the factory oil around 4k. 138k or so now, not even the barest hint of smoke on startup, and always used the Toyota factory filter with only a couple exceptions in 11 years. I keep a meticulous log and I think the average change is around 6500 miles over this time.

Wow, 300k miles on the civic is pretty impressive. I'm assuming no rebuild, no smoke as well?

DougM

 

[Bob_Garrett]

I switched to Mobil 0-40 at the last oil change. So far have about 2k and no increase in oil consumption that I can tell. I have ran synthetics in the LC since I bought it with about 55k on it and am currently at 130k.

Don't discount the ability of regular dino oil and cheap oil filters combined with 3k oil changes tho... I just bought an 83 toyota pickup with over 250k on the original engine and that's what was used in it all of its life. The little 22R still runs well with no smoke and has used no oil in about 700mi.

Bob

 

[BigMac]

Great data - Thanks Cary!
At 116K my 97 seems to love 0W-40 and uses about 1QT per 3K miles.
Although your calcium loss makes me wonder about osteoporosis....
Thanks again, BigMac

 

[Ming89FJ62]

I've been running M1 since about 10k miles in our FJ62 as well as all other vehicles, for that matter, after a reasonable breakin. My dad worked at Mobil in marketing for over 30 years and convinced me long ago that M1 is worth the extra few bucks. Hell, I even ran Delvac 1300 (diesel equalivant of M1) in an old Peugeot, but that's a different story. The 62 now has almost 180k miles, still doesn't use more than 1/2 qt in 5k miles and has factory spec compression. The proving point was a recent valve adjustment - when I removed the valve cover there simply was no sludge in the rocker arms; the rocker arms looked like they had just been installed - an amaizing sight. In an old Audi there was no gauling on the cam lobes after 175k miles; they looked like new. Change intervals have been roughly 5k using OEM Toyota filters on the 62. I've alternated between 10W-30 in the winter and 15W-50 in the summer but for the past few years have used 10W-30 year round. Increadible stuff especially if you want to max the life of your rig.

Ming

 

[IdahoDoug]

Paid $4.30 or so a quart today at Schucks for Mobil 1 0W40. Called Walmart to see if they had it in cheap jugs. Nope, but had quarts for 4.77 ea. Called Schucks and was quoted $4.95 but he mentioned they'll beat any price by 10% on it. Including Walmart. Pretty cool.

DougM

 

[landtoy80]

Cary
< This was a 0w/40 engine oil with no gas, moisture or anti-freeze in it.>
I guess this would rule out my fast oil comsumption with M1 from gas or moisture being in the oil and burning off when the motor gets hot.
That is if all 1FZ motors are like yours and not let in gas or moisture into the oil.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

The 1FZ-FE has got to be a great motor. Cary has this great oil analysis after >120k miles, mine does not use a measurable amount in 5000 miles. Summer of 2002 we spent a month (and 4500 miles) in the 80 touring national parks all over the West. Using Delvac 1 at the time, we had no measurable use, despite days of running hard at 80 mph, long grades at over 3000 rpm etc. I wonder what the upper limit of use for this motor really is. Mine didn't start Mobil 1 until 40k miles but I'm hoping to see 250k or more. Anyone know what the design life is with good to excellent service?

 

[mustardfj40]

[quote author=IdahoDoug link=board=2;threadid=11351;start=msg104006#msg104006 date=1076624298]
Wow, 300k miles on the civic is pretty impressive. I'm assuming no rebuild, no smoke as well?

DougM
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Yeap, no smoke, it went through many tires, brakes, clutches, the but darned engine still runs great the last time I asked my bro-in-law about it.

Back in '85 when I started with the Mobil1, it wasn't as popular as now, Only Mobil gas stations sold them, I believe I paid over 3 bucks per quarts even back then, yeah expensive for a starving college student. . For comparation, my brandnew Civic costed $6,300 before tax/lincense.

/td

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[IdahoDoug]

Yeah, I remember those early M1 days too. I started using it sometime in the early 80s. In '85 I bought a full boat Jetta GLI Wolfsburg for something like $12k if memory serves. Was so picky about it, I asked the dealership to deliver it to me w/o doing the predelivery cleaning. So I picked it up with the plastic all over it, the wheel caps in the trunk and the dirt from the shipping process all over the body. Purist stuff.

DougM

 

[Daskoff]

If you lengthen your oil change interval because you're using synthetic oil, shouldn't you still change the oil filter every 3K to 4K interval. Even though the oil is still good, I would think by changing the oil filter earlier, you remove the foreign particles from the oil system. Then you could probably extend the oil change to 10k to 12K.

 

[IdahoDoug]

Cary,

Got my Blackstone Oil analysis back today. Tried to post the report but it's an Acrobat file and the software here butchered it, so pulled it. My results nearly mirrored yours and the comments were favorable. Slightly more gas in my oil, which they attribute to lots of in town use these days (correctly deduced). I've since replaced it with the 0w40 Mobil 1 (was 5w30 M1) so will be interested in next go around which will also include some heavy high speed towing.

DougM

 

[Beowulf]

Doug,
Carry an extra quart or two of the 0w40 M1 with you just in case. My consumption went from <1 qt per 5k mile change with 5w30 M1 to over 3 qts in 5k miles. I too do a lot of short trips (5mi 4xday on weekdays.)

I'm 3k into the most recent LOF using five 10w30 + three 0w40 and it's used approx 1/2 qt (topped it up last night.) This is a little more than normal but nothing like the consumption with the 0w40. I had 8 extra qts of the 0w40 that I needed to use so I'm mixing for until it is gone.

-B-

 

[cary]

[quote author=IdahoDoug link=board=2;threadid=11351;start=msg120510#msg120510 date=1079161393]
Cary,

Got my Blackstone Oil analysis back today. Tried to post the report but it's an Acrobat file and the software here butchered it, so pulled it. My results nearly mirrored yours and the comments were favorable. Slightly more gas in my oil, which they attribute to lots of in town use these days (correctly deduced). I've since replaced it with the 0w40 Mobil 1 (was 5w30 M1) so will be interested in next go around which will also include some heavy high speed towing.

DougM
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I ended up having to post mine manually. You should copy my first post and replace the numbers. Also, you should post it on Bob is the oil guy. Great to hear about more good numbers.

Cary

 

[landtoy80]

With your grear numbers on the oil, add a bypass oil filter and you will extend your oil change even longer.
I was listening to the Truckers Channel and they have a bypass system along with a oil analysis program that tells you when you need to change the oil. One truck has 1,000,000 mi on the original oil.
Gulf Coast Filters
http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/

 

[cary]

[quote author=landtoy80 link=board=2;threadid=11351;start=msg120708#msg120708 date=1079214204]
With your grear numbers on the oil, add a bypass oil filter and you will extend your oil change even longer.
I was listening to the Truckers Channel and they have a bypass system along with a oil analysis program that tells you when you need to change the oil. One truck has 1,000,000 mi on the original oil.
Gulf Coast Filters
http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/

[/quote]

I'm still not going to do it, toilet paper belongs on my rear, not my engine. I still haven't seen any good testing to sell me on the TP filters.

Cary

 

[RavenTai]

you dont have to go TP, I put a OIl guard on myh Chevy, going to move it to the cruiser some time, stepped yarn/string/paper element

agree there still is no proof they are cost effective for pasenger cars but it cant hurt

 

[IdahoDoug]

Group: I added my numbers next to Cary's so you can compare them. His are on the right, mine on the left. Sorry it's not so neat, but we had to do this manually as the reports come as Acrobat files.


Mobil 1 0w-40 Mobil 1 5w-30
Mi/Hr on oil - 5,481 4,940
Mi/Hr on unit - 121,981 132,740
Sample date - 11/26/03 2/17/04
Aluminum - 2 2
Chromium - 0 0
Iron - 4 10
Copper - 2 3
Lead - 0 1
Tin - 1 0
Molybdenum - 62 63
Nickel - 1 0
Manganese - 0 0
Silver - 0 0
Titanium - 0 0
Potassium - 0
Boron - 94 99
Silicon - 10 14
Sodium - 6 6
Calcium - 2618 2624
Magnesium - 26 184
Phosphorus - 638 746
Zinc - 840 904
Barium - 0 0
Sus Vis@210 - 72.4 63.6
Flashpoint - 400 340
Fuel % - <0.5 1.3
Antifreeze % - 0% 0
Water % - 0% 0
Insolubles % - 0.3% 0.5
TBN - 4.0 (did not request)
Writeup by Blackstone (Cary):
In the 5,481 miles you have had this oil in use, you've generated so little wear from this oil it is hard to do a reliable oil analysis.  Universal averages show typical wear metals for an oil from this type of engine after about 4,785 miles run on the oil.  you oil was longer and we found all wear from the engine at around average levels and in the correct balance to show normal mechanical parts inside.  Air and oil filtration look okay.  This was a 0w/40 engine oil with no gas, moisture or anti-freeze in it.  The TBN was 4.0, easily adequate.  Try 6,000 miles next sample. 

Writeup by Blackstone (Doug):
When better wearing engines are made, Toyota will probably build them. Universal averages show wear metals for an oil from this type of engine after about 4925 miles run on the oil. Your oil was in use average miles, and we found all wear from the engine at around average levels and in the correct balance to show normal mechanical parts inside. Air and oil filtration look okay. We found gas in the oil at about 1.3%, which may be unavoidable if you run this engine in-town. We like the engine wear and your miles of oil use. Don't change anything. Also, you are clearly an intelligent and well hung man.

My comments (Cary):  This is a 1996 Toyota Lancruiser with a 4.5l inline 6 motor.  It sees many short trips (less than 2 miles) as well as regular full throttle use.  Oil filter is what is called the good small japanese toyota filter, air filter is a Purolater from Pep Boys.  Also, this engine has what is called the "startup rattle" commonly thought to be the timing chain tensioner loosing oil overnight.  Obviously it isn't hurting.  The report took so long because the sample was lost in the mail and then showed up back in my mailbox 2 weeks ago.  I then resent it.

My comments (Doug): This vehicle has had Synthetic Mobil 1 in it since 7000 miles, and has always used an OEM Toyota oil filter. The average miles per oil change were 6200. An air filter change was done halfway through the sampled oil's interval. The engine is sometimes subject to very heavy loads while towing. No oil was added.

 

[e9999]

Doug, you got to stop exposing yourself to oil analysis clerks...

oh, wait was a mail in sample, wasn't it. Geeez..... you included a photo??? (and obviously must have tipped them well...)


E

 

[Beowulf]

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-B-

 

[RavenTai]

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-B-
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