Upper Control Arms - Adjustable options.

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Miloslavich

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Been Looking for adjustable control arms to dial in my alignment settings on my 1992 Hilux.

the Hilux has torsion bar IFS, the same as 86-95 Toyota Pickups. I'm really suprised I cannot seem to find an aftermarket option for control arms on these trucks. The newer Tacomas and IFS toyotas have a zillion options, why don't the older trucks? What do people run on these setups?
 
gnob said:
is the truck lifted?
what exactly is the issue with the alignment currently?
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Yeah, Lifted, All OME parts. I'd like to be able to add some additional caster, maybe correct out some camber
 
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gnob said:
what do the numbers say?
what do the cams look like?
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Numbers aren't horrible but I like to dial in my alignments a lot more than this:

Left: -1.3* Camber. Right: -0.1 Camber
-0.5* Caster. -0.3 Caster
+0.11* Toe +0.09* Toe
Steer Ahead 0.01*

Cams and bolts as well as bushings are original, Not sure if they spin or are seized but I'll be replacing them regardless which will help get me a lot more dialed. Would like some more caster from a replacement UCA or adjustable UCA. cant find them
 
should be able to get it way better unless the truck is bent.

can you show me a legit picture of the actual cam clocking?

you may be able to fudge numbers with a bj spacer and turning the bars down to flatten the arms.
it didn't look like you have much lift to begin with?
 
I'm not familiar with an arb lift kit for the front of our ifs rigs.

The only options I'm aware of are BJ spacer, torsion bar crank and the full drop bracket lift.

I'm running the BJ spacer with slight torsion bar lift.

All new bushings, tre's, wheel bearings and idler arm.

The shop I use was able to dial it in without issues. I did have to replace one or two siezed keys during the build.

At highway speeds I wouldn't do one finger but I can crusie one hand comfortably at 70. This is much better than our excursion and disco two both with 3-4 inches of lift.

As for tire wear I'm running cheap eBay 285 70 17 mud terrains. 2 years old and counting. North of 30k. I will get another 20k out of them. I'd have been able to squeeze more but I'm lazy and just did my first tire rotation a few weeks ago.
 
gnob said:
should be able to get it way better unless the truck is bent.

can you show me a legit picture of the actual cam clocking?

you may be able to fudge numbers with a bj spacer and turning the bars down to flatten the arms.
it didn't look like you have much lift to begin with?
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Agreed. the truck isnt bent. So, presumably with new bushings and bolts I should be able to do better. Also, the ride is STIFF as hell, little flex. so perhaps a BJ spacer and turning the bars down would help a bit too... Should yield some more flex and a softer ride with bars less cranked ya?

Dont have any pics of the bolts readily available, not at the truck at the moment.
 
dohcdelsol93 said:
I'm not familiar with an arb lift kit for the front of our ifs rigs.
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Old Man emu torsion bars, shocks. Think I mis-typed when i said ARB.
 
which BJ spacer is preferable here?
 
Miloslavich said:
Agreed. the truck isnt bent. So, presumably with new bushings and bolts I should be able to do better. Also, the ride is STIFF as hell, little flex. so perhaps a BJ spacer and turning the bars down would help a bit too... Should yield some more flex and a softer ride with bars less cranked ya?

Dont have any pics of the bolts readily available, not at the truck at the moment.
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yes it should soften a bit. also gives the arms room to move through travel vs being close to maxed one direction.
recommend these. old skool guy and small business.

 
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Miloslavich said:
Old Man emu torsion bars, shocks. Think I mis-typed when i said ARB.
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ARB = OME. They are the same company as I recall. We frequently interchange those names.
 
I'm still rocking OEM torsion bars. I added the ball joint spacers so I wouldn't have to crank the bars as much to get my desired ride height.

Even then I wouldn't think at a torsion bar could be cranked enough to keep it from being aligned properly. You can only go as far as your bump stops and at that point id think your kidneys would give out before your adjustment keys. I can't very this 100% as I purposely tried to avoid a torsion bar lift. My kidneys still haven't forgiven me for all the years I daily drove a 40 with 4 inch lift springs.
 
allprooffroad.com

1986-1995 Toyota Pickup 2.5" Ball Joint Spacer Lift Kit

1986-1995 Toyota Pickup 2.5" Ball Joint Spacer Lift Kit You don't have to do a solid axle swap to lift your IFS Toyota. A mild lift looks great on 1986-1995 Toyota Pickups and leaves enough room for slightly larger tires. This ball joint spacer kit provid
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Probably the way i'll go unless anyone has better suggestions
 
i looked around. didn't look like many billet options. shame another small business got pinched out by corporate greed.

nice thing about 4crawler was size options.
 
gnob said:
i looked around. didn't look like many billet options. shame another small business got pinched out by corporate greed.

nice thing about 4crawler was size options.
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exactly. those allpro spacers are 2.5" , or 1" larger than 4Crawler's largest spacer. Starting to wonder if that is TOO much spacer, and i'd end up with the control arm angled the other direction without the ability to crank the torsion bars back up enough. I dunno.

typically how much lift range is there in cranking torsion bars? (forgive me i'm a FJ60 guy, new to torsion bars these trucks)
 
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How it currently sits on cranked OME torsion bars and 33's


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not 100% but i think like 1-1.5" with just cranking the bars.
i would check your upper angle and see how far to get back to flatish. then go from there.
you could also have these machined down to the size you want if they end up being too much.
 
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