bloc
SILVER Star
It actually was about safety and still is… I was pointing out protecting the average person from themself is a challenge on a lot of levels.
TPMS Delete
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gaijin
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Here's the source of TPMS requirements:
Executive Summary
Under section 13 of the Transportation Recall Enhancement, Accountability, and Documentation (TREAD) Act, the Secretary of Transportation was required to complete a rulemaking for a regulation mandating a warning system in each new motor vehicle to indicate to the operator when a tire is significantly under-inflated.
Accordingly, the accompanying final rule requires a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) to be installed in all new passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses that have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs.) or less, except those vehicles with dual wheels on an axle. The final rule requires that the driver be given a warning when tire pressure is 25 percent or more below the vehicle manufacturer’s recommended cold tire inflation pressure (placard pressure) for one to four tires. (We note that the agency had previously issued a final rule providing two different compliance options with different levels of stringency. However, a court decision1 found that the TREAD Act requires a TPMS with a four tire detection capability, so the court vacated the standard for further rulemaking consistent with its opinion.) The final rule also requires a TPMS malfunction indicator, as well as a warning when the system detects under-inflation of 25 percent or more in one to four tires.
Find the entire 248 page document here: Tire Pressure Monitoring System FMVSS No. 138
HTH
I have a second set of spare wheels that I’m putting snow tires on, if I just use regular valve stems with No tpms, is it only the light that comes on? Is it similar to the maintenance reminder on the little instrument data screen where you just hit info on the wheel to make it go away and then can go to the data pages and all that’s left is the tire pressure light? Trying to decide if it’s worth $130 to clone the tpms for tires I use 4 months out of the year and will only use for the next 3 winters because snow tires are required by law where I am living temporarily
bloc
SILVER Star
I’m not sure exactly how annoying it will be, as in whether it’ll be flashing at you, but you won’t be able to get rid of the dash light.
The light will flash for 20 min or something, then go solid and your MiD will constantly say tpms error.
Just as a point of correction at least for 2016+ the TPMS sensors can tell which corner the valve stem is on. As well as if it is in the spare position so no reprogramming needed when rotating.
For me it’s nice to know what my spare pressure is so I don’t find myself with a flat spare. Also I run TPMS on my trailers and it’s spare so I can know if any of those tires are losing air.
Would be nice to have somewhat more control of it like shutting it off when airing down for offroad etc….
Saves me getting my pressure guage out at every gas fill up and checking 8 tires.
To each his own.
For me it’s nice to know what my spare pressure is so I don’t find myself with a flat spare. Also I run TPMS on my trailers and it’s spare so I can know if any of those tires are losing air.
Would be nice to have somewhat more control of it like shutting it off when airing down for offroad etc….
Saves me getting my pressure guage out at every gas fill up and checking 8 tires.
To each his own.
When you say constantly saying tpms error- does that mean you can’t see mpg or cruise or any other settings? Like it’s impossible to move past it?
A more primitive version on my Taco (single warning light) saved my tire and, maybe me from an accident. Light illuminated when I picked up a monster nail (can't figure out how, on a clear road). Would have been at zero PSI in another minute.
Highway patrol pulled over as I was putting on the spare. They just shook their head, guess they've seen most everything.
you can scroll past it, but anytime you touch the MID you'll have to look at it.
It's a tiny bit annoying.
There are many not so expensive ways to manage a second set of tires. The simplest is to buy four (or five) more sensors and clone the TPMS ids from the first set to the second.
bloc
SILVER Star
Normally I’d say avoid the clones as they are invariably low quality, but if you only need to get a few years out of them they should be fine. Just be sure you have room to store whichever set of wheels and tires that are not installed a good distance from the truck.. if say it all has to go into one garage you’ll get TPMS errors due to multiple readings from a given sensor ID.
It will be a bit of money but is definitely the safer option as well as saves you the annoyance. That cost over that amount of time wouldn’t bother me, personally, given what I’d have to gain.
It will be a bit of money but is definitely the safer option as well as saves you the annoyance. That cost over that amount of time wouldn’t bother me, personally, given what I’d have to gain.
I have my 'second set' (an old set I haven't made time to pull the sensors from) about 30 feet from the truck. A couple of my truck side sensors are older and have lower battery. The truck picks up the five with the strongest signal, I haven't had any issues with multiple same IDs. Over the winter the old set dropped below 30psi, that was a bit annoying until I got the truck down the street, then it would switch to the on truck tpms ids as the others went out of range and clear the error.
Fixed this by putting some air in the old tires . . .
Fixed this by putting some air in the old tires . . .
bloc
SILVER Star
Maybe it’s year dependent? People have posted here with issues when the truck got confused by the multiple sets.
Other than Autel MX sensors, does anyone know of another cloneable sensor?
Discount tire installed Dill programable sensors when I did the last tire swap. They read lower than the OEM sensors they replaced and take a long time for the system to acquire pressures. Now my winter set with relatively new OEM sensors will not read?
So far not a fan of the clones.
i'm going on year four with Autel sensors. No issues except for my cloned setup the stronger Autel signal overrides some of the OEM signals when within range.
That's awesome! Glad it saved you a tire!
I don't want the tech on my car. I don't want it mandated. I respect your right to install and use it, but don't make every single car have it for some quick political points.
bloc
SILVER Star
They said the same thing about seatbelts.
Yep...thats what most people revert to. The seatbelt argument.
Apples and oranges.
The automakers were making a few 'tippy' SUVs in the 80s and 90s as the craze was booming while new testing methods and anti-rollover tech was just hitting the scene. Uncharted territory. People were trying to drive these new SUVs at full highway speed and didn't expect or understand the new handling characteristics of their higher COG family vehicle. Also, tire manufacturers were constantly learning new tire tech and trying to meet the demands of these new heavier, faster, taller vehicles.
Sure, there were a few TPMS systems out in the 80s, but were a novelty, expensive, not required and helped people with the new fangled 'run flat tires' know when the tire was slowly losing air. But here comes Ford and Firestone. Firestone has a bad time trying to maximize ride comfort and durability on these new SUVs. The general dumb masses don't yet understand that their new Ranger-based Explorer isn't a Mustang when it comes to handling.
And the rest is history. Congress gets involved, and in common fashion, comes to a over reacting knee jerk ruling and starts mandating things in a law making 'Act' that they don't understand. However, as is usually the case for most clueless people, they are calmed because mr. goverment man has warmed them with the illusion of safety.
Explorers were rolling over because they were a top heavy leaf sprung truck carrying the overloaded family on vacation and the tire exploded. Not gradually losing air.....catastrophically failing at 75 mph. No TPMS system could fix that.
But yet here we are with a MANDATED to buy and put up with system that while yes, may help you notice a nail in your tire a day sooner, should not be required.
Apples and oranges.
The automakers were making a few 'tippy' SUVs in the 80s and 90s as the craze was booming while new testing methods and anti-rollover tech was just hitting the scene. Uncharted territory. People were trying to drive these new SUVs at full highway speed and didn't expect or understand the new handling characteristics of their higher COG family vehicle. Also, tire manufacturers were constantly learning new tire tech and trying to meet the demands of these new heavier, faster, taller vehicles.
Sure, there were a few TPMS systems out in the 80s, but were a novelty, expensive, not required and helped people with the new fangled 'run flat tires' know when the tire was slowly losing air. But here comes Ford and Firestone. Firestone has a bad time trying to maximize ride comfort and durability on these new SUVs. The general dumb masses don't yet understand that their new Ranger-based Explorer isn't a Mustang when it comes to handling.
And the rest is history. Congress gets involved, and in common fashion, comes to a over reacting knee jerk ruling and starts mandating things in a law making 'Act' that they don't understand. However, as is usually the case for most clueless people, they are calmed because mr. goverment man has warmed them with the illusion of safety.
Explorers were rolling over because they were a top heavy leaf sprung truck carrying the overloaded family on vacation and the tire exploded. Not gradually losing air.....catastrophically failing at 75 mph. No TPMS system could fix that.
But yet here we are with a MANDATED to buy and put up with system that while yes, may help you notice a nail in your tire a day sooner, should not be required.
Govt is getting crazy -- Family can sue Jeep because it failed to install available braking devices, Arizona court says -- for an optional equipment item.
www.pennlive.com
Family can sue Jeep because it failed to install available braking devices, Arizona court says
The court rejected arguments from lawyers for Jeep's parent company that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration’s decision not to require the devices pre-empted the state lawsuit. A child died in the crash.
First world problems....
There are easy and simple ways to circumvent the TPMS set up but I would never post it up on a forum or share it at all. Too much liability.
That being said, just deal with it. It doesn't affect the performance of your vehicle.
There are easy and simple ways to circumvent the TPMS set up but I would never post it up on a forum or share it at all. Too much liability.
That being said, just deal with it. It doesn't affect the performance of your vehicle.
