joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
Don’t worry. Soon we will all be in pixie-fart powered hover cars, and your precious gas powered rigs will be in your personal museum.
Tinker's latest brutal review of LC250 (3 Viewers)
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Bro you are living in the past. These days when the US government rounds up people and disappears them, their cars and belongings get left behind. You can just grab that stuff and take it to your ranch in the middle of nowhere. Why even register those new to you cars? You can scrap the cars because getting metal is going to be too expensive with tariffs so you'll need that $ to buy credits to the privately run government that charges you to exist and consume. Gasoline? Why bother, you won't need to leave the house because Amazon drones will deliver everything to you including your android companion. No one will have to work unless you count everyone who has to work in the factories that we build because we refuse to buy anything from the rest of the world. You can't call it slavery if you get paid right? At least those factories will be in major cities just like the good old days. Folks out in the farm country can harvest all that dust because the earths temperature is 140 degrees and nothing will grow without the mystery syrup that you can only buy from Monsanto and no one can afford that so you have to sell off your farm so the AI tractors can do all the work.Don’t worry. Soon we will all be in pixie-fart powered hover cars, and your precious gas powered rigs will be in your personal museum.
But don't worry, there will be 5000 TV shows to chose from at any point of the day.
LOL the government isn't coming for your cars. They have a much bigger plan to keep you poor and powerless. Fun story right? I'm gonna go for a drive now.
They are coming for your cars. Not to get all off topic here ...but the chicken tax, war on Kei cars, import year rules, nonsensical MPG/cafe requirements, subsidizing EVs with trillions$, strengthening emissions testing, ever increasing nanny tech, ever increasing MPG band-aids like auto start , AFM, 0 weight oil that make everything less reliable and long lasting, including DEF and DPF systems.....so complex and complicated that its far easier to 'total' then out now.......while costing more up front....has removed many types of vehicles that many of us want and desire, and continue to go down that path.
Give me a 40 series replacement with a 2 and 4 door option, removable top and doors, solid axles, a 6 speed auto and a NA 6 cylinder, and a manual transmission option, for $40k starting. A land cruiser.
Give me a 40 series replacement with a 2 and 4 door option, removable top and doors, solid axles, a 6 speed auto and a NA 6 cylinder, and a manual transmission option, for $40k starting. A land cruiser.
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That's called a Ford Bronco. You can even get a $100k version of it to show off to other car nerds. You don't have to be faithful to one brand.
Regardless, they aren't coming for your cars. You can buy whatever you want but don't expect a new car to not be complicated. You can buy a Model T and you will always be able to. Hating on all that tech just because it is mostly driven by emissions standards doesn't make sense to me. It's like asking for leaded gas and carburetors to come back. None of us want exhaust smoke, unburned fuel, and cars that don't start because the carb is clogged again. The good old days sucked. I'm happier with computer controlled fuel injection and emissions control that barely changes the power output. I would take it on my chainsaw if they offered it.
Not going to disagree with cost but the equation isn't so simple. It isn't necessarily the powertrain that drives up the cost so much. People take for granted things like tires that used to be less than $50 and now the technology on them is so incredible but folks have no idea. Same with making cars quiet, using better plastics, safety features, aluminum and composite parts, and fake leather that doesn't fall apart. Modern cars just last so much longer even with all the complications. So they have to find a way for you to WANT to get a new car and that means more gadgets, better MPG, more horsepower, etc. It's not some conspiracy but yes the feds set standards and we mostly benefit from them, except we don't get paid more to afford the price increases. Wonder how we could fix that?
Regardless, they aren't coming for your cars. You can buy whatever you want but don't expect a new car to not be complicated. You can buy a Model T and you will always be able to. Hating on all that tech just because it is mostly driven by emissions standards doesn't make sense to me. It's like asking for leaded gas and carburetors to come back. None of us want exhaust smoke, unburned fuel, and cars that don't start because the carb is clogged again. The good old days sucked. I'm happier with computer controlled fuel injection and emissions control that barely changes the power output. I would take it on my chainsaw if they offered it.
Not going to disagree with cost but the equation isn't so simple. It isn't necessarily the powertrain that drives up the cost so much. People take for granted things like tires that used to be less than $50 and now the technology on them is so incredible but folks have no idea. Same with making cars quiet, using better plastics, safety features, aluminum and composite parts, and fake leather that doesn't fall apart. Modern cars just last so much longer even with all the complications. So they have to find a way for you to WANT to get a new car and that means more gadgets, better MPG, more horsepower, etc. It's not some conspiracy but yes the feds set standards and we mostly benefit from them, except we don't get paid more to afford the price increases. Wonder how we could fix that?
I don't want a Bronco or Wrangler. A new FJ40 would be nice. They could stamp some new sheet metal and then build it parts bin only and charge a reasonable price.
Instead of another expensive, plastic clad, nanny-full, overstyled, hybrid/turbo SUV to compete with their own 4runner and GX. (and still get less than 20 mpg?! on premium in some cases?!)
This is why I personally hate the new 250.
We gotta get away from this modern must mean more complex mindset
There are millions of ways to configure a car between a model T and a LC250. Not one person here has ever said we want carbs and leaded fuel back. Saying this just makes your argument weaker. I've never understood why some see it as 1900 or 2025.
I don't want fake leather, some cloth all day
No need for lidar, radar, or gaidar either
Beeps and bangs about a seatbelt? no thank you
I can change lanes on my own using the mirrors
TPMS? why? batteries will die and i'm no safer
Cameras? nonsense
Hybrid? Please.
Turbos, extra ecus, coding, extra cooling (all that costs money)....I'll pass
Love the discussion......there are miles between a Model T and a $60k new Toyota. Something could be made safe and simple, and still have a radio, modern HVAC, and good brakes.
Instead of another expensive, plastic clad, nanny-full, overstyled, hybrid/turbo SUV to compete with their own 4runner and GX. (and still get less than 20 mpg?! on premium in some cases?!)
This is why I personally hate the new 250.
We gotta get away from this modern must mean more complex mindset
There are millions of ways to configure a car between a model T and a LC250. Not one person here has ever said we want carbs and leaded fuel back. Saying this just makes your argument weaker. I've never understood why some see it as 1900 or 2025.
I don't want fake leather, some cloth all day
No need for lidar, radar, or gaidar either
Beeps and bangs about a seatbelt? no thank you
I can change lanes on my own using the mirrors
TPMS? why? batteries will die and i'm no safer
Cameras? nonsense
Hybrid? Please.
Turbos, extra ecus, coding, extra cooling (all that costs money)....I'll pass
Love the discussion......there are miles between a Model T and a $60k new Toyota. Something could be made safe and simple, and still have a radio, modern HVAC, and good brakes.
Simple reliable modern vehicle? Sure - they could build em. But no one buys them. Look how many people buy an SR tundra or Tacoma. Same is true for a Wrangler base model or a base bronco. Most people would opt to buy a 3 year old Rubicon vs a new Wrangler Sport. The Slate truck will be a very interesting experiment to see. Will people pay $20k for a Slate vs $20k for a used Tesla? I'm not sure. It's pretty easy to find 2 door Wrangler Rubicons for $10k. Seems to fit the bill for a cheap basic interior offroad toy. It's just not new.
I'd LOVE to buy a Jimny (at Mexican pricing).
There is also a Chinese firm that is building replica FJ40s and you can buy complete shells for around $15k. I don't think they have complete vehicles yet, but that's supposedly coming. Since they're making them new - could be a viable option to build a 45 4 door kit designed to sit on an recent Toyota platform. Could drop it on a 5th gen 4Runner or GX rolling chassis. Like a classic retro kit. I could be very interested in that. I'm already pretty interested in the body kit for my current FJ40 vs repairing more rust spots.
There's definitely plenty of room in Toyota's lineup for a 105" wheelbase 4 door BOF 4x4. Can't wrap my head around Toyota not making either the new LC or the 4Runner a smaller size to fill that category or building a new FJ Cruiser to do it.
I'd LOVE to buy a Jimny (at Mexican pricing).
There is also a Chinese firm that is building replica FJ40s and you can buy complete shells for around $15k. I don't think they have complete vehicles yet, but that's supposedly coming. Since they're making them new - could be a viable option to build a 45 4 door kit designed to sit on an recent Toyota platform. Could drop it on a 5th gen 4Runner or GX rolling chassis. Like a classic retro kit. I could be very interested in that. I'm already pretty interested in the body kit for my current FJ40 vs repairing more rust spots.
There's definitely plenty of room in Toyota's lineup for a 105" wheelbase 4 door BOF 4x4. Can't wrap my head around Toyota not making either the new LC or the 4Runner a smaller size to fill that category or building a new FJ Cruiser to do it.
So we can assume you don't want a Tesler?
This is giving me insight into why dudes spend hundreds of thousands of dollars with car restorations. All to have that special toy that means so much to you. I'd rather have a lot of toys than that one special Rosebud (Citizen Kane). Still no electric car in our household yet. I drive the LC250 occasionally but outside of it's offroad abilities it has zero personality so I drive it the least. Don't like all the nanny stuff either but women, who I believe to be the primary buyers of LC250, want all the safety features and cellphone compatibility. Once you start riding motorcycles you realize cars are kinda boring anyway. Nice to have lots of choices.
This is giving me insight into why dudes spend hundreds of thousands of dollars with car restorations. All to have that special toy that means so much to you. I'd rather have a lot of toys than that one special Rosebud (Citizen Kane). Still no electric car in our household yet. I drive the LC250 occasionally but outside of it's offroad abilities it has zero personality so I drive it the least. Don't like all the nanny stuff either but women, who I believe to be the primary buyers of LC250, want all the safety features and cellphone compatibility. Once you start riding motorcycles you realize cars are kinda boring anyway. Nice to have lots of choices.
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No Swasticars. Hard pass on Telsa. I also have a deposit for a Scout Traveler hybrid. Still too early to know if it's something I'd want or not. But absolutely ev or PHEV will be the next daily driver car for me. Most of the time I really just want to get from one place to another in the easiest way. PHEV or EV is exactly that. Full battery every morning and easy driving. Hard to beat in terms of minimal pain points. I like the idea of an LC250 PHEV, but I also don't think Toyota put much effort into a lot of the GA-F platform powertrain systems so I kinda doubt a PHEV LC250 would be very good.
I've had a few street bikes. They're fun, but not really the experience I'm looking for at this point in life. Taking the kids in the FJ40 to the lake or to get ice cream on a summer day is more my ideal weekend. I can't see buying another street bike in my life, but who knows.
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Swasticars is great!. Loveland has no love for the apartheid nepo baby.
The hybrid Traveler is compelling. Off road chops (but we'll see about flex). 2000 lb payload. 500 miles of range. Decent cargo volume. Nice configuration (tailgate, hatch). Reliability is of course unknowable, but those are top-of-class off-road touring wagon capacities and specs. A genuine "traveler." It's what I'd hoped to see more of from LC 250, and what could have set 250 apart from Toyota's other offerings (a true travel truck).
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We have a 5th gen RX350h in the household as the practical and still-comfortable counterpoint to my wonderful gas-guzzling road trip and terrain-capable GX.
I too have a deposit on a Scout Traveler (the all electric variant). For $100 refundable I'll give Scout a small loan see what/when it actually is when it delivers. I use my $100 to have talking points beyond my 550 and motorcycle (and even the RX) with my automotive-minded friends. My mind set is/has been the Scout is likely not a viable candidate to replace my GX and the places I go or my 500-mile road trip days. It's also effectively vapor ware in July 2025 as no independent people have hands on one yet.
The interesting bit is my wife (who drives the RX350h and loves her Nori Green RX) has expressed interest in my Scout reservation. She likes boxy, likes that it would always be fully fueled/charged in our driveway. When we got the RX she wasn't ready to go all electric. Now she sees the charging infrastructure is rapidly building out the places she goes and she is intrigued.
We also have solar that puts out 10MW / year so I actually make my own energy. Now, before people get all riled up, know this my gas/oil burning colleagues, I own oil stocks. They have and continue to treat me well. The oil companies want you to confuse loyalty to oil with what you really are buying - transportation. It is amazing how good marketing and messaging can get people fighting for a specific industry (and the billions of subsidies it gets). At least with electric we have to two effective monopolies (oil and electricity) having a little competition with each other. Clearly I'm not worried about this little post hurting my oil dividends.
We shall see. Having a GX and a Traveler seems like SUV overkill, but the sparkle-Orange Traveler would look good next to my Earth GX.
Competition is good, Scout/Rivian/Lexus/Toyota/Ineos fighting it out in this segment forces the companies to invest and innovate. Seeing that Toyota sold 5,860 in March 2025 and 15,416 from January through March of 2025 it certainly seems like they nailed the market and MORE competition is needed to keep them motivated. BTW, Lexus sold 9,239 GX in same 3 month period. Nearly 25K vehicles in one quarter is pretty good. We will see if it sustains.
I too have a deposit on a Scout Traveler (the all electric variant). For $100 refundable I'll give Scout a small loan see what/when it actually is when it delivers. I use my $100 to have talking points beyond my 550 and motorcycle (and even the RX) with my automotive-minded friends. My mind set is/has been the Scout is likely not a viable candidate to replace my GX and the places I go or my 500-mile road trip days. It's also effectively vapor ware in July 2025 as no independent people have hands on one yet.
The interesting bit is my wife (who drives the RX350h and loves her Nori Green RX) has expressed interest in my Scout reservation. She likes boxy, likes that it would always be fully fueled/charged in our driveway. When we got the RX she wasn't ready to go all electric. Now she sees the charging infrastructure is rapidly building out the places she goes and she is intrigued.
We also have solar that puts out 10MW / year so I actually make my own energy. Now, before people get all riled up, know this my gas/oil burning colleagues, I own oil stocks. They have and continue to treat me well. The oil companies want you to confuse loyalty to oil with what you really are buying - transportation. It is amazing how good marketing and messaging can get people fighting for a specific industry (and the billions of subsidies it gets). At least with electric we have to two effective monopolies (oil and electricity) having a little competition with each other. Clearly I'm not worried about this little post hurting my oil dividends.
We shall see. Having a GX and a Traveler seems like SUV overkill, but the sparkle-Orange Traveler would look good next to my Earth GX.
Competition is good, Scout/Rivian/Lexus/Toyota/Ineos fighting it out in this segment forces the companies to invest and innovate. Seeing that Toyota sold 5,860 in March 2025 and 15,416 from January through March of 2025 it certainly seems like they nailed the market and MORE competition is needed to keep them motivated. BTW, Lexus sold 9,239 GX in same 3 month period. Nearly 25K vehicles in one quarter is pretty good. We will see if it sustains.
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I think I'd rather take Uber everywhere than buy a Volkswagen backed product (Scout). Good luck with that.
Interestingly, LC 250 is outselling 4runner (by a hair).
2025 sales through May:
24,451 Land Cruisers
24,358 4Runners
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think when the 5th gen first came out it didn't sell well, then it spiked later on
That's a non-story, IMO. Land Cruiser sales are in full stride now and 2025 4Runner is just getting started.
Though interestingly, it does look like the 250 could sell almost twice as many this year as last if it keeps going this way.
It wasn't until after the 2014 refresh that sales really did well.
I'm not sure how this gen will do. I don't think it'll sell as well as the outgoing 4R generation. But maybe that's just my blinders because I don't like the new cabin design.
I've always considered 4Rs Light duty Land Cruisers, I remember expressing this a few years back and boy people got up in arms and argued the GX was the true american Prado but I knew the 4R was also lc Prado with a different badge/body sharing mostly everything with the overseas Lc Prados, I much more prefer the LC 250 over the 6th gen 4runners looks and cabin I'd be okay with them completely wiping the 4R name and just giving us even more trims of the LC 250 instead, I'm fine with the hybrid but if they did bring the 250 with a tuned 4banger and no hybrid i'd prob be just as fine with it too and would probably spring for it, but I must admit I do like the 2400w ability.
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I have always liked 4Runners but Toyota seems to want to make each new generation uglier than the last one. I think the new 4Runner is hideous. On the other hand this 200 owner thinks the new LC250 is the best looking Toyota truck since the LC60. I think replacing the 4Runner with the LC250, and offering more powertrain options would be great.
Of course it won’t happen though, way too much loyalty and market share with the 4Runner name in USA.
The AHC suspension design is actually quite old... just tweaked by Toyota.
Hydropneumatic suspension - Wikipedia
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Not sure your point. I mean, you can say that about std shocks too??
