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What would your top 3 bourbon selections be? Please don't say Blanton's, Eagle Rare and Buffalo
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What would your top 3 bourbon selections be? Please don't say Blanton's, Eagle Rare and Buffalo
Old Nick
GOLD Star
Touché... lol.
Joking aside, I like the 250 (and the Lexus variant), as noted. It's a nice looking truck. Also, I've wheeled with a few owners; who wheeled them hard, and the trucks performed wonderfully.
P.S. Re; an actual Bourbon recommendation... Green River's Barrel Strength is where it's at. Very affordable, and it sips like a bourbon twice the cost. Eagle Rare... when it was first introduced, it was $27 a bottle here in KY (not joking)... same with Weller and a number of others...
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Green River, haven’t seen that option here on the West Coast but im about 5 hours north of where they scattered Donnie’s ashes,
Eagle @ $27 is where it should be $27...
“Hey hey careful man there’s a beverage here!”
turbo8
Supporting Vendor
Wish they would sell the "cargo van" version here... Toyota announces the all-new Land Cruiser Commercial - Toyota Media Site - https://media.toyota.co.uk/toyota-announces-the-all-new-land-cruiser-commercial/
The flat cargo floor looks great.
The flat cargo floor looks great.
Hiluxforever
SILVER Star
Yeah, you have to diy that here.
“The California Special”
Imagine this - only if they trimmed all the fat out of the side plastics to maximize the space back to the body panels. Would be amazing for a base platform overlander. Especially with the small diesel engine that it shares with the LC70 now. IMO probably a better base than the LC70 for North America because of the longer wheelbase and better highway comfort. At least 95% of the miles are going to be highway and asphalt touring the Americas.
If I had my preference - I'd rather have a side opening door vs the hatch or ideally ambulance doors. Using for utility vehicle duty it's a lot nicer to have a side opening door if you want to load with a forklift to carry pallets of stuff or heavy items like engines or transmissions that I'd normally just use a forklift for.
Hiluxforever
SILVER Star
Plus the storage in the doors is super handy
It's an interesting comparison. The 200 was really good in that respect. What's interesting in this generation is that supposedly the 8 speed config in the non-hybrid is the best belly clearance of any of the GA-F configurations and that was one of the reasons they chose the 8AT over the 10AT for the Tacoma and 4Runner. The hybrid moves the crossmember back significantly. The LC300 only has about 8 inches of ground clearance, so it probably doesn't matter much. It has less ground clearance than a Rav4, so it's not really trail ready in stock form.
The offroad variants of the Taco and 4Runner are probably the most capable of any of the North America models. And I think that was true for the 5th gen vs LC200 as well. The LC200 we got never had a rear locker and I'd guess taking them directly off the showroom floor - the 4Runner would have done better on technical terrain. Not as comfortable. Not as fast. But would go further down the hardest trails. It would be pretty interesting to compare a 4Runner Trail Hunter with GX550 OT with KDSS and a LC300 GR Sport. My guess is that they'd all be very similar but the 4Runner probably wins because the body is a good bit higher and tighter in the critical spots.
You can see in the non-hybrid the transmission crossmember is forward and appears to be a tighter fit.
vs Hybrid
vs 10 speed GX550
vs LC300 (with the 1GR and 8speed I believe):
BTW - It's hard to find a profile image of a 300 without the lower body cladding side steps so you can see the belly clearance. It's possible this is the GR version with the 8 speed. I just can't find a profile image of anything else. Possibly the GX trim is the only trim that doesn't have side steps as a standard feature.
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hoser
SILVER Star
They only offer this because of the big tax difference between a commercial cargo SUV and passenger SUV in Europe.
Yet another option we didn't get here - the 105 series half door rear. The chicken tax kills a lot of the fun options. The lack of the swing gate in the new generation LC/GX kinda kills it for me. Liftgates are boring.
I would kill for a swing gate like this on my J250.
hoser
SILVER Star
Liftgate/Tailgate combo is best. I would choose barn doors on a camper. But they don't seal as well as the tailgate/liftgate and certainly not as useful. No rain protection either. But yeah, one piece ljftgate on 250 comes in 2nd to last. Last is GX470 side swinging door.
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Regarding the posted specs of ground clearance, this can be really misleading for those new to off-roading. For Toyota trucks, its usually the bottom of the rear diff as the lowest point. The diff spec is contrarian - off-roaders want a big diff for core strength to turn big tires under the most stressing use case. Yet the clearance of big pumpkins (1-ton swap) are then singularly governed by tire size. You'd think you want the biggest "ground clearance" number but in reality that drives the design to have weakest and smallest 8.2" diff a la LC250. Great and all for a stock rig or mildly upgraded rig, but give me the smaller LC300 8" clearance number associated with the 9.5" diff any day for robustness and margin to drive big tires.
Off-roaders know how to work around the diff as a single point by aiming the larger obstacles around it. Then it's everywhere else that matters more. Including the critical parts of trailing arm brackets, low hanging cross member. The LC300 will have stronger clearance with everything tucked high and tight. No low hanging gas tank, hanging resonator, artificially low hanging armor.
joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
It’s nothing to do with SEMA vs Baja. There is nothing stock about the suspension in the Baja truck (maybe Curt will chime in on height specs of their race truck), so your comparison to a bone stock 250 is ridiculous. I found the other photo in .00003 second google search for “lifted LC250”. I have no idea who built it or why. Nor is it important here.
joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
And that is EXACTLY the point. They are retro. The round headlights make the 1958 look like a 60, while the square headlights of the LC trim make it look like a 62. I owned 2 BJ60s back in the 1980s, and then skipped forward to an FZJ80, so for me, the round headlights of the 1958 were a huge draw to that trim level. The cloth seats were also a plus, and saving $10k didn’t hurt either.
Disagree on that one. The side door makes a great place to mount a camping/cooking table, without restricting access into the back of the rig like cooking on a liftgate/tailgate combo would. A downpour has not coincided with dinner/breakfast cooking yet in my camping/hiking/swimming/cycling trips, so the un-covered cooking location is far outweighed by the utility of having the fold-up table. I have cooking utensils in pouches behind the table, and pots/pans/plates etc. in the DS drawer, which is not impeded by use of the table.
I prefer the tailgate utility, but I have loaded things like trees, lumber and flooring into a liftgate 3g 4runner and it works OK too. Longer stuff goes out the window.
BTW, first tailgate vehicle I owned:
BTW, first tailgate vehicle I owned:
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Split tailgate wins for changing baby diapers and clothes
Monica has stock primary suspension (UCAs, LCAs, rear suspension links) and King shocks and springs. 37" tires and a 3" body lift.
The pic of Monica that was used above had the front suspension at full droop and the rear nearly there. Definitely not a good comparison on ground clearance to any 250 that's not also half airborne.
