Grand Hilander with the TRD Grill upgrade, nice very nice
Except from the side or rear
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Except from the side or rear
They are so elite (in an early 2007 way) I’m so intimidated by their prestige
The Grand Highlander came out as a 2024 model onwards. Trying to understand how that looks or is similar to a 200 series, other than throwing in some stuff into this thread...
en.wikipedia.org
I do get that the second gen Highlander has similar headlight/grill design looks compared to the 2008 to 2015 LC200. Many consider the second gen Highlander a highlight of the series and when you look at designs of other respected brands like Audi, Mercedes, Lexus and BMW the various features go right across the various series/lines. Therefore so what. I consider them both great vehicles for their capabilities.
Toyota Grand Highlander - Wikipedia
I do get that the second gen Highlander has similar headlight/grill design looks compared to the 2008 to 2015 LC200. Many consider the second gen Highlander a highlight of the series and when you look at designs of other respected brands like Audi, Mercedes, Lexus and BMW the various features go right across the various series/lines. Therefore so what. I consider them both great vehicles for their capabilities.
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What's hard to get? For the same money one is old, used, out of warranty, and has had someone else farting in the seat for years. The other one is brand new, with a manufacturer's warranty. We already know real world capabilities are much more similar than they are different.
Why not take it one step further? I really don't get why somebody would spend $55k+ on either of the above, when there's still plenty of clean 100 series and/or GX470's to be had for literally like 1/5th (or less) of the money. $10k-$15k will buy you a super clean one and you get Toyota's best engine ever made 4.7L that is already proven and well established as the more reliable, durable, and lower cost of repair powertrain than the 5.7L in the 200. (The 250's reliability is TBD.)
To each their own?
Agreed. If someone is spending $55k plus on a rig, they aren't going to wheel it on more than rutted forest service road. Or if the are, they are depreciating their investment in a manner that I simply would never do. I wheel and use mine often in a way that I'd never subject a $55K rig to, whether it is a brand new LC250 or a used LX570. That includes hopping in it wearing dirty work clothes and running to the steel yard, lumber yard, or the dump with a trailer attached (which usually gets lots of "what is that?" and "dude that rig looks bada$$" comments from the yard guys).
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My point is that spending similar money (~$70K) you can get a nicer and more capable and comfortable vehicle with known reliability and plenty of miles to go.
I agree with you when you want to spend less money that the 150 (460), 120 (470) and 100 (LX or LC) series can be cross shopped. I also can see that the V8 GX's are great value for money and in fact was cross shopping a GX460 with a LX570 with my son in law the other week and he ended up going for a 2020 LX570 55k miles certified Lexus (2 year full warranty) at $64k, because it is so close in price to many later year model GX460's and yet has everything top class (interior feel, leather quality, sound insulation, vented front and rear seats) including the more powerful 3UR-FE.
Indeed to each their own!
My point is that spending similar money (~$70K) you can get a nicer and more capable and comfortable vehicle with known reliability and plenty of miles to go.
I agree with you when you want to spend less money that the 150 (460), 120 (470) and 100 (LX or LC) series can be cross shopped. I also can see that the V8 GX's are great value for money and in fact was cross shopping a GX460 with a LX570 with my son in law the other week and he ended up going for a 2020 LX570 55k miles certified Lexus (2 year full warranty) at $64k, because it is so close in price to many later year model GX460's and yet has everything top class (interior feel, leather quality, sound insulation, vented front and rear seats) including the more powerful 3UR-FE.
Indeed to each their own!
Prices for the 460 are quite a bit lower here. A buddy of mine (lifelong Ford guy) picked up a cherry 2020 GX last year with 60K on it for just under $40K (from the used lot at a Hyundai dealer). He's been using it to tow his 5K pound boat to the lake with his family of 4 on the inside.
The GXs seems to have gone up some in price lately, but $40K will buy you a lot of rig. $20K will buy you an older one.
I should clarify he wanted the GX460 luxury with crawl control as part of an off-road package (his interest is for use on the Texas beaches) and was looking at a 2023 second hand at 40k miles.
As you say, many good GX460 and 470’s can be picked up for less and are great vehicles.
Right? Wondering the same here...
That seems to be a sweet spot for picking up a GX.
Frankly I'm not interested in acquiring any high mileage 1UR/3UR equipped rigs on the used market. Just too risky for my tastes (IMO).
That said, a lightly used, clean, sub 60k mile, 22-23 GX460 with the infotainment/car play updates and the rear captains chairs would be one hell of a pickup in a few years after some additional depreciation.
That's basically MSRP new, so yeah not as good of a deal
.I begged Mrs. Rednexus to get a 2023 GX460 instead of her Highlander Hybrid, but she ultimately won out the argument. The Highlander was a hair over $50K - we wouldn't have really noticed the cost difference in getting a new Blackline GX460 at that time. Although, the hybrid MPG is pretty darn nice.
For clarity, the $70k I quoted was an approx number for a new LC250 vs a 2016+ low mileage LC200.That's basically MSRP new, so yeah not as good of a deal
I begged Mrs. Rednexus to get a 2023 GX460 instead of her Highlander Hybrid, but she ultimately won out the argument. The Highlander was a hair over $50K - we wouldn't have really noticed the cost difference in getting a new Blackline GX460 at that time. Although, the hybrid MPG is pretty darn nice.
The $64k on the LX570 shows it is about $6k less than for a comparable LC200. That GX460 with crawl was at $62k and so the 570 is what he preferred. Both good choices, one just more vehicle than the other.
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I’d be happy with any of those Suzuki options too.
Just saying that Panda 4x4 concept looks mint and if you’re talking $25,000 out the door for something you can absolutely beat the s*** out of then sign me up.
The incurable angst from the 200 crowd has more to do with a loss of perceived social exclusivity than actual Land Cruisers. It reveals far more about how some people identify themselves and assign themselves self worth than meaningful differences between trucks.
It's pretty tiresome really, and it must suck for new members of the Land Cruiser community who've come to our forum only to find incessant and often petty bashing of their not-cheap and pretty sweet new Land Cruiser 250.
It's pretty tiresome really, and it must suck for new members of the Land Cruiser community who've come to our forum only to find incessant and often petty bashing of their not-cheap and pretty sweet new Land Cruiser 250.
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100% correct. Remember, we’re not in their room they’re in ours. That says a lot about who’s really moving forward. But their attitude is killing the LC250 activity here on IH8MUD. This place has gone dead silent while the other 250 forum is buzzing. Nobody wants to share their positive stories about their new beloved Land Cruiser, only to have a group of vindictive elitists stomp the joy right out of them. Totally uncivilized.
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This is such an amazing super power the 250 has.
Literally splintering the community; how sad.
Not a bad thought and I've been thinking to pull the front axle/arms forward by an inch sometimes. After some analysis, it's not really necessary and there are significant trades to axle loading. From an overall vehicle perspective, the golden ratio gets more things right than wrong as it's all about balance. Toyota's golden ratio concept goes pretty deep in their philosophy and design, and is even reflected in their logo.
One of the great assets of the compact wheelbase is its excellent agility for a full size rig. While not trading stability. From an approach/breakover/departure, it's usually the departure that's the first limitation anyways. Even modded, this balance still holds.
On 37s, AHC High, .75" body lift
You raise a very good point here. When I had my 4Runner I would occasionally take it onto some proper OHV trails. But with the 200 I honestly haven’t wanted to because of how nice it is, how big it is, and of course how expensive it is. Heck even getting back into it after a day out on the trails (mounting biking) I find myself making damn sure to wipe everything down inside as soon as I get home. With the 4R I just didn’t care as much, that interior was made for abuse and holds up really well.
