Tinker's latest brutal review of LC250 (10 Viewers)

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40Man said:
Total models sold go into the calculation. I don't think that was a huge factor, but becomes more of one when you look at high volume selling models. The 250 makes no sense to me when you roll out a 4Runner that is basically the same thing. And at that level, it is not bad. I like it more than a GX460 personally. A 200/300 replacement it is not. I wonder how the combined 250/4R sales will compare to 5th gen 4runner sales as well as their total suv segment compared to prior years.

I'll roll my 200 into the ground and hope it doesn't get totaled or stolen before another car company comes out with a no frills high quality off roader.

I thought Ineos may have been the one, but they veered far from the original vision with too much tech and nanny crap carried over from EU requirements. Maybe a future model will be in my driveway if they expand their footprint. My closest dealer is a 4 hr drive one way.

Becoming the #1 car company has changed Toyota's focus, and as we have seen with the TTV6, issues with R&D and/or quality control as they spit out vehicles at a fast speed. Their refusal to include the hybrids in the TTV6 recall shows their focus is on profits vs customer satisfaction/safety. And some 25 Tundra engines are still seizing, including a guy on the Tundra forum that after his 25 seized, they replaced with a long block and it seized too. Not the same Toyota company that build a strong reputation on reliability.

I have only purchased Toyotas during my adult life other than a barn find Nova, and most of them were new. I don't think that will be the case going forward.

I really like Honda engines. It would be awesome if they would seize the opportunity and build a reasonable cost (or at least reasonable based on current insane sticker pricing) offroader. I could see Hyundai or Kia also pushing into the segment, and they both seem to do well with QC, at least based off of the experiences of friends and family with them.
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The Passport Trailsport is a pretty nice car to be honest. It’s not a go anywhere do anything body-on-frame monster like the LC but it’s capable and well equipped with a straight 6.

People were complaining about the price on it and I’m not sure why. You are pushing $80,000 for a 4Runner these days. Inflation was real and prices are never coming back down.
 
Mingus Dew said:
The Passport Trailsport is a pretty nice car to be honest. It’s not a go anywhere do anything body-on-frame monster like the LC but it’s capable and well equipped with a straight 6.

People were complaining about the price on it and I’m not sure why. You are pushing $80,000 for a 4Runner these days. Inflation was real and prices are never coming back down.
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Yeah, my sister has a Trailsport. A nice vehicle for sure. Just not what most of us are looking for. If nothing better comes along, I may be resigned to LS swaps in old FJ60s, used 200s, etc. I've always loved backcountry hiking and biking too, and may just give up on more extreme backcountry offroading. The older I get, the more tired I get of fixing things I break doing stupid s*** in the mountains anyway.
 
40Man said:
Yeah, my sister has a Trailsport. A nice vehicle for sure. Just not what most of us are looking for. If nothing better comes along, I may be resigned to LS swaps in old FJ60s, used 200s, etc. I've always loved backcountry hiking and biking too, and may just give up on more extreme backcountry offroading. The older I get, the more tired I get of fixing things I break doing stupid s*** in the mountains anyway.
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I had high hopes for Ineos as well by the way. In addition to the insane price bloat (wasn't it supposed to be a $50,000 "farm wagon"?), it's not getting high marks for reliability or QC at this point.

I see quite a few of them here in South Florida. For the money you're better off leasing a new Defender IMO.
 
skrypj said:
I would have 100% bought a SR trim 300 series if it came with the TTV6 and 10 speed.



The 200 is still bigger. The stretched the wheelbase and track width of the 4Runner/LC/GX to be the same as the LC200, but the bodies are narrower with larger fender flares to cover up the extra 3-4" of track width.

One of the big complaints I have been hearing about the new 4R is that the 2nd row leg room is pretty bad, worse than the 5th gen.

Look at the LX600. Its the same track and wheelbase too but the body is pretty slab sided whereas the GX/LC/4R have decent flares.





100% most wont. Its still odd that they didnt put the upgraded CV's and axle in the LC250 but did put it in the 4Runner and Tacoma.


600 OT would be ideal imho. And 100% the TTV6, especially in the LX with the 400hp tune, is stout.



I had a similar 2.8L I4 diesel for years with almost identical HP/TQ ratings to the 1GD. I would not own the Toyota version. Especially in a US vehicle with our emissions requirements. The juice is not worth the squeeze AT ALL for the diesel with that little power. If they put the 3.3L in it then I would take a look.
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The 1GD-FTV did very good on and off the road for 4 of us and our gear. Different strokes for different folks
 
dudemancool1904 said:
No one is leaving an FJC for a 250.
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The FJC is a pretty niche vehicle. I'm not sure I really follow comparing a top of the line First Edition LC250 against an FJC in the first place. I guess they look similar, especially in blue?

Most LC250 buyers if they drove an FJC would probably crash into something or someone on the way to the trails. On the road I treat FJCs the same as semi trucks, I specifically make it a point to avoid getting close and/or pass them as quickly as possible.
 
rexington14 said:
The FJC is a pretty niche vehicle. I'm not sure I really follow comparing a top of the line First Edition LC250 against an FJC in the first place. I guess they look similar, especially in blue?

Most LC250 buyers if they drove an FJC would probably crash into something or someone on the way to the trails. On the road I treat FJCs the same as semi trucks, I specifically make it a point to avoid getting close and/or pass them as quickly as possible.
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The whole video talks about how the FJC handles better than the LC 250. It specifically talks about how bad the body roll is and how loose the steering is and how dainty the sway bar is on the LC 250.
 
rexington14 said:
The FJC is a pretty niche vehicle. I'm not sure I really follow comparing a top of the line First Edition LC250 against an FJC in the first place. I guess they look similar, especially in blue?

Most LC250 buyers if they drove an FJC would probably crash into something or someone on the way to the trails. On the road I treat FJCs the same as semi trucks, I specifically make it a point to avoid getting close and/or pass them as quickly as possible.
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I would say a comparison between the 250 and the 4 runner would of been a better comparison.
 
skrypj said:
The whole video talks about how the FJC handles better than the LC 250. It specifically talks about how bad the body roll is and how loose the steering is and how dainty the sway bar is on the LC 250.
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And omits the fact that you can't see jack $h*t out an FJC. Visibility & blind spots are horrendous, and dangerous - hence why I avoid getting close to these on the road.
 
rexington14 said:
Which has been done many times. I guess the FJC comparison is a bit more unique and therefore leads to.... views.
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I think because he is saying the LC250 is the successor to the FJC. He is perfectly aware that the LC 250 is not the successor to the 200 series.

The 4Runner is the successor to the 4Runner
 
FJ's also drive like a turd.
Say what you will about modern day Toyota's but objectively the new models all ride and handle better than the old ones.
 
rexington14 said:
I think we're all aware of that by now. Yet, here we are again with another 250 (bash) thread in the 200 section 🤣

edit: thread has been moved
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We are probably much more in the know than most people.
 
Toyota purposefully cheapening the LC250 compared to the GX550 or even the 4Runner is so strange it is almost insulting to Land Cruiser enthusiasts. It’s just an expensive appearance package for the 4R right now. They need to rework it, give it all the upgrades the other cars get, and consider adding the V6 and 3rd row back in. Probably won’t happen this generation, but I hope they get it right next gen, and give us the 400 series!
 
The 4Runner has the same CVs and rear diff size as the 250 (exception being Trailhunter & TRD Pro). Until I see an endemic problem with things breaking on the new platform, the criticism isn’t warranted. In my option, the lack of full-time 4WD with rear locker on the 4Runner/FJ and lack of approach angle on the GX550, are far more damning.
 
MRego said:
Sticker? Much more. Just a couple days ago a 2021 LC200 Base with 5k miles sold at BAT for $106k. Let that sink in for a minute. This is only one example of many in that site and others.

Nobody can convince me that if Toyota brought the 300 enter or mid-trim to the US and charged $70k to $80k (today's money), it would not sell like hotcakes and, I dare to say, more than the Prado fully loaded First Edition which was in the same range. That would have slotted right in where the Prado is now and would have just kept the 4Runner as the lighter duty entry level offroader, as opposed to now where it competes with the Prado.

I bet Toyota ran the numbers and found out the profit would be 2x or 3x more with the solution of bringing the 4 banger Prado as the "new Land Cruiser" and that's what we got.
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This place is local to me but they are selling a 2021 Heritage Edition with 19 miles on it. I'd bet they want like $125K for it

2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition Birmingham AL 57963180

Looking for a 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition located in 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition Birmingham AL
www.rmr4x4.com www.rmr4x4.com
 
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dudemancool1904 said:
At the end of the day he’s a content creator. Same as the car care nut. Take it as entertainment. When he was searching for his FJ replacement he talked

RMR had a silver ‘21 3 row HE with delivery miles last summer with a $189k asking price.
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I wonder if it sold and if there is people paying these ridiculous asking prices by these guys. I hope they rot.
 
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