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Sounds like climate issues aren't you're more pressing concerns
This is probably going to be very unliked, but this is just like my opinion man. This is my issue with the LC250
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Correct. Also, I drive less than 5000 miles a year and usually use a bicycle or golf cart for around town transportation. ;<)Sounds like climate issues aren't you're more pressing concerns
That is interesting. If true that would be a game changer, and EV’s could take over based on consumer demand instead of subsidies. Here in Florida no one wants an EV as their only vehicle, in a hurricane evacuation you could be in trouble. 700 mile range would make long distance travel a nonissue.
Then maybe we could stop subsidizing the industry with taxpayer money. I still believe the environmental impact would be negligible.
Toyota's road map 520 miles by 2026, SSB and 630 miles (1000km) range in 2027-28, and 750 mile range options in the 2030 time frame. Of course I take Toyota's timelines with a grain of salt given the push backs on everything else in the last 5 years. So, probably realistic to add about 2-3 years to those numbers despite being published recently.
And - I agree. 700 miles of range starts to eliminate the need for high speed charging and for most charging stations. Toyota also claims the same batteries can go 20-80% charge in 10 minutes. That would be 420 miles of range in 10 minutes. That's great if you have a small nuclear reactor to provide the juice. Otherwise I think it's realistically still a constrained charging issue of energy supply to the charger. That's where hydrogen still has some advantage - it can be stored locally. My best guess is that we'll start to see capacitor or battery banks start to be part of EV charging stations to provide the needed juice.
You should take your talents to twitter
I don't hear folks making the argument that buying or operating any car is "good" for the environment. Rather, it's a "lesser of multiple evils" decision.
BTW, electricity demand in the US has been surging unexpectedly high lately, presenting challenges for our nation's grid.
The primary culprits identified in the article I read are: Data centers, heat pumps and EV's. Edit: Oh, and investment in manufacturing is at a 50 year high.
A couple days ago I could have seen the new 250 on the road. Just saw it briefly from the front. It was tan, had "Toyota" logo and looked real new. Just caught a glance, not sure. Supposedly there are/were three to be arriving this month at the local dealer.
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Just FYI, we bought our hybrid because if the awesome MPG and Toyota reliability. For the purpose of reducing our long-term fuel costs and vehicle repair/maintenance costs. Whatever environmental benefit it has is icing on the cake. Toyota hybrid crossovers and cars are pretty awesome, and I am sure the LC250 will be an awesome hybrid as well.
I tried resisting the urge to jump in here but my lizard brain has failed me. I don’t like the sentiment some people share that “it’s just lil ole me, I’m not going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things.” while that may be true if it were only you, it’s actually much bigger than just yourself. I believe there can be an overall net positive to these winds of change when more people adopt them.
That being said, I also recognize it’s not all sunshine and rainbows when it comes to EV’s and how the raw materials are sourced, manufactured, transported, etc. Even still I’d prefer less C02 in the air I breathe and it’s a proven fact that EV’s beat ICE strictly in that category. I remember in 2020 walking around downtown Dallas one day mid pandemic and there being a discernible difference in the clarity of sky around me. That hazy look you see (or don’t because you’re so used to it) in a major metro area was gone and it was nice. There’s an even better example of this from a photo out there showing typical LA before and during the pandemic and the difference in field of view is staggering.
Personally having been fortunate enough to travel to other parts of the world (in one of those terrible jumbo jet planes, yes I know) I feel like a better solution to our small piece of the carbon pie is less reliance on automobiles in general. America could benefit from more rail systems, buses, bike lanes, and walking path's. (Would be better for our overall health to!)
Make driving fun again because sitting in traffic for hours every day is not it.
That being said, I also recognize it’s not all sunshine and rainbows when it comes to EV’s and how the raw materials are sourced, manufactured, transported, etc. Even still I’d prefer less C02 in the air I breathe and it’s a proven fact that EV’s beat ICE strictly in that category. I remember in 2020 walking around downtown Dallas one day mid pandemic and there being a discernible difference in the clarity of sky around me. That hazy look you see (or don’t because you’re so used to it) in a major metro area was gone and it was nice. There’s an even better example of this from a photo out there showing typical LA before and during the pandemic and the difference in field of view is staggering.
Personally having been fortunate enough to travel to other parts of the world (in one of those terrible jumbo jet planes, yes I know) I feel like a better solution to our small piece of the carbon pie is less reliance on automobiles in general. America could benefit from more rail systems, buses, bike lanes, and walking path's. (Would be better for our overall health to!)
Make driving fun again because sitting in traffic for hours every day is not it.
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I certainly do hear it, but usually in the context of electrifying to become "carbon neutral". While that is possible, the carbon footprint is just replaced with some other type of footprint (literal footprint of solar, hydro, agricultural land turned to biomass production). So I'm not really sure there is a "lesser" of two evils, just different kinds of evils. Hyper-focusing on carbon makes people gloss over the other types of environmental and social damage that "green" energy can have.
Data centers are indeed huge power consumers. Northern VA is in danger of running out of power capacity there due to all of the ones that have been built. If the grid goes down they are powered by.....diesel generators. AI will just make that worse as it's so computationally intensive.
For the record, climate change is already here (as evidenced by the droughts we had the past few years, followed by 8" of rain in one night) and we don't have a chance of stopping it. Maybe we can slow it down a little, but in the end it's something we're just going to have to deal with. Mainly in the form of higher costs for everything and definitely way higher insurance costs due to mega-disasters.
Climate change is interesting. Check out the ice research. There has always been changes.
Not buying an ev auto however walk, bike, and use a golf cart as much as possible.
You want to make a difference. Get fit and healthy and stay fit and healthy. Get out of the big pharma, big food, big goverment health system roller coaster of BS. Also, eat local as much as possible.
It certainly is changing, just like it has done countless times for the past 4.5 billion years. Some say human civilization developed in an unusually stable climate period on Earth.
Makes sense. I heard a comedian say, when the earth is done with humans, we will be gone quickly. He also said, maybe the earth wanted plastic. George Carlin was a nut.
We really are the problem when you get right down to it. Mother Earth was here before us and will probably be here long after we’re gone. It may be a dark, lifeless rock but it’ll be here.
For all the bad it’s done humanity has also accomplished some extraordinary things and continues to do so. That alone gives me some optimism that someone will figure something out. It just may not been in my lifetime. I do wonder what people were saying back when the first Model T’s were rolling down the assembly line all those years ago. “I’ll stick to my trusty steed and wagon thank you.” There is no way Karl Benz or Henry Ford could have foreseen the modern ICE vehicles and their capabilities we have today. Some of that technology eventually spilled over into ships and planes yet ironically basically wiped out the US rail system thanks to lobbyists for oil/gas, cars, and car infrastructure.
Someone else made a very good point about our lifestyle of endless consumerism and it’s true. There’s no need for new phones, tv’s and computers every year. No need for new cars that often either. Eat real food. Stop taking a pill for everything that bothers you. Get off your ass and go touch some grass.
I’m guilty of the consumption part but I have stayed steady on the diet and active lifestyle bit. In fact I’d much rather ride one of my bikes than drive my 200. Ok I’m done, back to Cruiser/Toyota talk.
I really meant that it’s not our cars that are going to make a noticeable impact with the current ocean freighters, cruise ships and airplanes.
they are regulating ICE to death for little net gain for earth.
they are regulating ICE to death for little net gain for earth.
As a student of geology, it started out as a bleak, lifeless rock and went almost back to that multiple times due to various extension events (K-T extension event, snowball earth, and the asteroid that wiped out the last mega-fauna the roamed the earth). Climate change is real - now and historically - and we are making it worse (as evidenced by how much whacky the weather has gotten over my relatively short lifespan). The earth can and will heal; however that may include another extension-level event that wipes most of our civilization. In around 5 billion years the sun will blow up and destroy the earth anyway.
In the meantime, we should all feel fortunate that we get to live in an advanced country/economy with all of our needs being met and and Toyota 4x4s as toys, which do make our short time on this planet more fun
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It could have been if Toyota had put a 9.5" diff in the new LC250. Turns out the history of humanity up till now was all for naught.As a student of geology, it started out as a bleak, lifeless rock and went almost back to that multiple times due to various extension events (K-T extension event, snowball earth, and the asteroid that wiped out the last mega-fauna the roamed the earth). Climate change is real - now and historically - and we are making it worse (as evidenced by how much whacky the weather has gotten over my relatively short lifespan). The earth can and will heal; however that may include another extension-level event that wipes most of our civilization. In around 5 billion years the sun will blow up and destroy the earth anyway.
In the meantime, we should all feel fortunate that we get to live in an advanced country/economy with all of our needs being met and and Toyota 4x4s as toys, which do make our short time on this planet more fun
No one's gonna take your V8.
But, eventually, either the EV tech will advance enough where you become more than satisfied, and / or, gasoline prices will be pushed so high due to gov regulation you'll be glad to give it up.
Rarely does technology not improve - this is just the beginning
I think that solid-state battery vehicles with ranges exceeding 600 or 700 miles will mark the beginning of the end of internal combustion cars, at least in much of the world. They’ll just be better vehicles. Quieter, safer, faster, with more mechanically simple, efficient, and longer lasting motors. That much range supports remote touring too. I have 10 kw of roof solar and work from home, so don’t drive much; the idea of charging from panels to be able to drive most or all of the miles from Flagstaff to Denver is pretty damn attractive.
Toyota Chairman Akio Toyoda does not agree with you guys and thinks that EV will only ever represent 30% of the market: Toyota Chairman Predicts Battery Electric Cars Will Only Reach 30% Share - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-23/toyota-chairman-predicts-battery-electric-cars-will-only-reach-30-share?embedded-checkout=true
In other news, in Europe, the Bourgeois elite are already talking about banning private ownership of cars to save the planet: not gasoline cars, not diesels, not EV cars, all cars. Capisce? This comes from the “You will own nothing and you will be happy” team who maintain that a mobile slave class is and will continue to be a royal pain in the ass for Euro-oligarchs. How in the hell can you expect slaves to build decent quality pyramids if they can just jump in a car and drive away? Let’s see what happens this Summer in the EU Parliamentary elections as rag tag Europeans fight back against The Empire.
In other news, in Europe, the Bourgeois elite are already talking about banning private ownership of cars to save the planet: not gasoline cars, not diesels, not EV cars, all cars. Capisce? This comes from the “You will own nothing and you will be happy” team who maintain that a mobile slave class is and will continue to be a royal pain in the ass for Euro-oligarchs. How in the hell can you expect slaves to build decent quality pyramids if they can just jump in a car and drive away? Let’s see what happens this Summer in the EU Parliamentary elections as rag tag Europeans fight back against The Empire.
Gun to my head, I'm never buying a full EV. I'll be pillaging your community and roads for the precious gasoline well before then.
