Suggestion: Proactive Solutions, Objective Data, Professional Experience, vs. Trolling/Debating Over Maintenance Standards of LC200s

[Heritage 2020]

Greetings All,

I joined the LC200 page in ih8mud to learn from others who provide so much in terms of knowledge and support of our Land Cruisers.

To those who provide constructive solutions and answers (the videos are great as are the links) to questions from members—thank you.

If you are not a Land Cruiser enthusiast, I don’t understand why you derive pleasure from debating the shortcomings of a vehicle that enthusiasts love.

@wngrog is an example of a respected friend and LC enthusiast,whom I always look forward to posts—as he focuses on what we can benefit from as a community vs. getting into teenage pissing matches over. I especially enjoy the fact that he is extremely knowledgeable, shares his positive experiences and lessons—and also happens to reside a few hours south of me.

Just an idea as it could minimize trolling and endless back/forths over topics such as:

-Personal values
-Oil
-Dealer vs Independent Shops
-Air filters
-Tires
-Modifications

NOTE: For several engineering minded folks on this page who’ve met me and know me well, I believe they understand that I prefer solutions to problems vs. the endless “my view is correct and yours is wrong”.

I learn a great deal on the 200 Cruiser page from folks who post solutions and constructive feedback regarding experiences with their 200 Series.

To those who do that,…, thank you as I learn so much from our PMs and from our shared professionalism/knowledge base. I’ve met good,people,via PM and in person along the journey.

To those who enjoy arguing, trolling, or simply arguing/debating—carry on and I hope you gain satisfaction out of being right on social media. Trolls will be trolls I suppose.

In closing, I look forward to continuing to learn from my friends who provide objective data—and will continue to understand that for some, being contrarian without any empirical data nor insight is their preference.

Good for bitching as well—as that’s reality.

Trolls lives matter in the diversity and inclusion spectrum, lol.

 

[skrypj]

Or people could just stop asking what oil/filter to use since any evidence given is going to be purely anecdotal since there are 8 million variables at play.

 

[Cruisin911]

Hmmm.... welcome to the relative anonymity of the internet.

And,

Go Navy, Beat Army.

 

[Heritage 2020]

Hmmm.... welcome to the relative anonymity of the internet.

And,

Go Navy, Beat Army.

@Cruisin911

We are brothers 364 days of the year.

 

[linuxgod]

Trolls are easily enough handled. Click their name, then click Ignore. You’ll never see their posts again (though it is weird when you see a random reply in a thread that makes no sense).

In fairness sometimes people come off as trolls online because as humans we have to visual or aural context to reference. You instinctively infer someone’s tone from their words of phrases by reading it in your head as if you or someone you know is speaking it, when writing by definition has no tone.

The barrier to entry to the forums is low (free) and you sometimes get what you paid for it. Would the forum be better if people had to pay to access it? Would it eliminate trolling? Probably not but it might reduce it a bit. Fun story, I tried giving away a baby grand piano on FB marketplace. If you’ve never had the fun of offering something absurdly big and heavy on FBM go give it a shot sometime, it’s hilarious. The number of people asking me if I’d help them load a 500# piano into their vehicle, asking if I’d hold it for them (no it’s free because I want it OUT of my house), etc was just absurd. If I ever had another I’d post it for $100 just to eliminate those who weren’t serious.

 

[bloc]

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[04UZJ100]

This belongs in chit chat. This is not tech. Posting a plea on a social forum to stop disagreements is juvenile.

On another note, I too am an engineer by background. Over maintenance causes more problems than it fixes. Your 60k maintenance was overkill but glad the tech gave you the feel goods about it. Sounds like you just want people to tell you what you want to hear vs. the truth.

https://resources.savvyaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/articles_eaa/EAA_2011-03_the-waddington-effect.pdf

 

[Heritage 2020]

@04UZJ100 “over maintenance” comment is the most hilarious comment I’ve heard in years.

We aren’t flying aircraft, but driving large pigs on pavement where the vast majority of consumers want to hear—less maintenance.

Stating that we are over maintaining vehicles in an era where marketing and consumers want less maintenance is—ahem, your personal view.

Thank you sir.

 

[04UZJ100]

@04UZJ100 “over maintenance” comment is the most hilarious comment I’ve heard in years.

We aren’t flying aircraft, but driving large pigs on pavement where the vast majority of consumers want to hear—less maintenance.

Stating that we are over maintaining vehicles in an era where marketing and consumers want less maintenance is—ahem, your personal view.

Thank you sir.

Yes. You are over maintaining. That is a fact.

 

[2021 LC200]

I enjoyed the maintenance thread started the other day by GR8Daneger and gained some insights in steadily replacing power steering fluid, as well as replacing the engine air filter instead of messing around with it using compressed air (taking the feedback at face value).

Agree trolling is not good. I certainly am guilty as I am upset about the LC250 being labelled as the return of the Legendary Land Cruiser. This certainly triggered negativity in my posts about the same and was just re-enforced by the 6th gen 4Runner which looks pretty good for a 4Runner. Should leave it alone.

So lets indeed share interesting work we do on our 200's and try to keep this 200 part of the MUD in good shape.

 

[mdh384]

On another note, I too am an engineer by background. Over maintenance causes more problems than it fixes. Your 60k maintenance was overkill but glad the tech gave you the feel goods about it. Sounds like you just want people to tell you what you want to hear vs. the truth.

https://resources.savvyaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/articles_eaa/EAA_2011-03_the-waddington-effect.pdf

One of the debates I like to have over beers with other maintenance people is what is the right amount of maintenance. For the specific case of consumer automotive maintenance, without a ton of data and testing the correct amount of maintenance is an unknowable thing. This is complicated when each vehicle is driven in different locations by different operators... and so endless debates can be had.

IMO a little too much is better than not enough, provided the individual turning the wrenches is doing so correctly. In a world where amateurs are doing the work, it is completely reasonable to predict amateur results... however when amateurs are wanting to improve their ability to work on their own vehicle, a place like MUD should be a place where those people can find well-reasoned, helpful, and supportive information. The derisive attitudes that are sometimes presented here on MUD are unhelpful at best, and can in fact be counterproductive when objectivity is lost or incorrect information is repeated enough times to become truth.

 

[Heritage 2020]

Yes. You are over maintaining. That is a fact.

@04UZJ100

There are folks running 10k OCIs who’d benefit from 5k OCIs, and folks loading their LCs for overlanding/offroading and towing at the limit who’d,benefit from not trusting the lifetime transmission fluid, t-case, diff recommendation (or waiting until something goes south and then blaming Toyota)..

Under maintenance is a far, far bigger issue for the vast majority in the automotive market. That is an irrefutable fact.

Over maintenance is a false term and non-issue when done properly.

If you disagree, efrom one engineer to another no worries at all. I’d rather fly a properly “over maintained” aircraft any day. To,each his/her/they/we own I suppose.

Note: what’s funny is people incorrectly assume from reading a dealer service sheet is that the owner of the vehicle did not have knowledge of what actually transpired due to being present when the service was completed—and then double checked,everything after on a lift.